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Re: DJI Mavic 3 Pro

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Post by raihansaputra »

yreg wrote: post #9

Would love to get a new shiny thing, but it’s difficult to excuse since my 5 year old Mavic Air still works very well and feels amazing. If you are looking into getting a (no-DIY) drone, consider a second-hand Mavic, they are cheap and great. Maybe get a new battery or two.

Mavic Air is great but I had the opportunity to also flythe Mavic Air 2 in the same session and it's much better in regards of range and dealing with (heavy, urban) interference. If only I can only upgrade the radio/remote to the newer one..

Re: DJI Mavic 3 Pro

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ChancyChance wrote: post #146
cypherpunks01 wrote: post #34

When will these compact drones become less noisy? I know there are new propeller designs being researched to be much less like a swarm of bees is flying around near you, but don't know how far off they are to retail commercialization. It just makes it hard to stomach flying a drone in a pristine environment knowing you are disturbing all human and non-human animals nearby.

Are they really that noisy? I fly 10" drones and once they are about 30 ft away you can't really hear them. 3" and 5" drones are silent at 30ft on a calm day.

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Re: DJI Mavic 3 Pro

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Post by kmlx »

rektide wrote: post #121
archagon wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Then the future of computing will be in the hands of mega-corporations. Have an innovative app idea that goes against corporate policy? Too bad, won't happen. Strict sandboxing and a robust permissions model can still give you security with these kinds of apps.

It really bothers me that DJI is basically the one notable example that gives the anti-sideloading FUD-dites some ammunition. It's generally not a real issue, DJI are just extra punks, and yeah, sandboxing should offer really good protection in general, but maybe maybe your drone is live uploading all drone data to the CCP perhaps. Freedom enables choice. Humanity's greatness is built entirely off our ability to expl…

> It really bothers me that DJI is basically the one notable example that gives the anti-sideloading FUD-dites some ammunition.

https://www.fortnite.com/mobile/android/

Re: DJI Mavic 3 Pro

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Post by bborud »

andy_ppp wrote: post #20
bborud wrote: post #7

"Your Favorite Chinese multi-sensor distributed spying platform".

I doubt they care much about you taking some videos on holiday! Probably don’t use it to fly over military sites and there is zero risk. I worry that some of the worlds great companies get caught in the power wars of the US and China. Both countries working together has been so good for the world - nobody will be as prosperous without the other - but who cares as long as the powerful people in the US and China get to…

This is the beauty of a product like their drones that records detailed telemetry, and can upload video and images to their cloud service: you get loads, and loads of data that people with zero experience in intelligence gathering think is completely harmless. There really is no way of knowing how much sigint the drone is capable of gathering and sending back (it has an SDR chip).

Just in the area I live there are perhaps a dozen military and strategic civillian installations. This is going to be true for any city. You'd be surprised how much civil infrastructure is at least somewhat classified. Because compromising it can have serious consequences.

Some of these installations are even known to DJI and are geofenced off. In fact the DJI maps actually identify some military installations that are not identified on official maps provided by local providers. And both the maps and the geofences seem to be very actively maintained - much more so than the locally obtainable maps. But you can still get close enough to image a lot of these areas.

The fact that they have an SRD on board, and because there are probably on the order of a couple of thousand DJI drones in the city, AND they phone home, you could get drones to do targeted scans depending on what area a drone is in. I'm not saying that they do this - but I am saying that all the things China would need to leverage DJI drones as a global network of intelligence-gathering assets are already there. The safest assumption is that they do leverage the drones for intelligence gathering.

As for opportunities: Another good example is when there was a NATO exercise here last year. While down in the harbor to look at a US Marines ship (can't remember the name) that carries MV-22B Ospreys, I spotted what appeared to be a Mavic Pro of some description in the air. It probably wasn't the only drone trying to capture footage of the exercise.

So yeah, exploiting naive users to unwittingly take part in intelligence gathering is a pretty neat trick. And it is a bit surprising that the regulations for this are so lax given the immense potential these platforms have.

Re: DJI Mavic 3 Pro

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Post by bborud »

Ancapistani wrote: post #70
Teever wrote: post #16

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Do you have any idea if there are jailbreaks for these things or alternate firmwares?

There are. They tend to lag a little bit when a new model comes out, but AFAIK everything is eventually unlocked.

Got a link to share?

Re: DJI Mavic 3 Pro

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Post by btreecat »

zamnos wrote: post #29
hintymad wrote: post #19

Spy drone or not, why can’t US companies design and manufacture better products to compete with DJI?

Skydio seems to be doing just fine, though their customers are more companies that want security rather than consumers. I think what killed it is the FCC rules, which make it illegal to fly in a large number of places where it really shouldn't have to be. This severely limits the size of the market for a $1,000 gadget.

FAA rules (not FCC) did have a huge impact on the hobby right as it started to really take off.

Re: DJI Mavic 3 Pro

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Post by i_am_jl »

yreg wrote: post #113
rektide wrote: post #79

DJI seems to be the one company that requires sideloading the Android app. DJI makes great products, but there's really few companies who I would trust less to give unvetted access to my phone. I know the Android app sandboxing should help a lot, but there's enough unknowns & potentially lurking security holes that I really wouldn't want to trust them. They also are 100% the most likely company on the planet to self-…

I get why people want the end of the App Store monopoly and I apprieciate the idea of being able to run anything I want on my hardware, but this here is the reason why I'm hesitant. As a user I want the big developers to have to bend the knee to Apple. I don't want to side load my DJI app, I don't want to download Instagram from the Meta store. I don't agree with all of Apple's rules (and also with the way the app re…

This is the third or fourth time I've heard this sentiment lately and I don't understand it. Why would the ability to sideload apps impact the ability of Apple to curate app quality in their app store?

Given that I can sideload Android apps, why can I still download Instagram from the Play store?

Re: DJI Mavic 3 Pro

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Post by yreg »

i_am_jl wrote: post #157
yreg wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I get why people want the end of the App Store monopoly and I apprieciate the idea of being able to run anything I want on my hardware, but this here is the reason why I'm hesitant. As a user I want the big developers to have to bend the knee to Apple. I don't want to side load my DJI app, I don't want to download Instagram from the Meta store. I don't agree with all of Apple's rules (and also with the way the app re…

This is the third or fourth time I've heard this sentiment lately and I don't understand it. Why would the ability to sideload apps impact the ability of Apple to curate app quality in their app store? Given that I can sideload Android apps, why can I still download Instagram from the Play store?

Well, that's easy. Developers who are big enough (like Meta or Tencent) can leave App Store and distribute the apps through their own store where they don't have to succumb to any rules. The customers will have to follow.

Now, you might want to say, I don't have to use their apps, and you are right. But I'm happy with the current situation. I want to use Instagram and I want Apple to negotiate what the app can and cannot do for me. I want to fly my DJI drone. (You cannot download the DJI app on the Play Store. You have to sideload it on Android. On iOS it is in the App Store because it has no choice.)

Re: DJI Mavic 3 Pro

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Post by canadiantim »

hem777 wrote: post #102
canadiantim wrote: post #40

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Use of the word orcs is incredibly unfortunate as it's clear you're just trying to dehumanize other people. I get why, but I don't think the ends justify the means.

Are you or your people being, or have been, slaughtered by a fascist, barbaric military? If yes, I’m sorry and I understand your position. If not, gtfo.

Anything goes in war eh? Sad, you should reconsider your humanity before it’s too late

Re: DJI Mavic 3 Pro

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Post by saidinesh5 »

brokenmachine wrote: post #138
steve_adams_86 wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m in the same camp. I got my son a Mini 3, which is a stellar quadcopter in its own right, but the DJI ecosystem is a spectacle to behold for some good and many bad reasons. One issue could be that they don’t communicate compatibility between devices very well, so it’s very hard to know if buying one thing will lead to being very limited and locked in — even within the DJI ecosystem. People often find themselves ne…

100%. I was thinking about getting an Avata, and I was just about to pull the trigger, then they released a recent update that includes Remote ID which means that now you have to connect your phone to the goggles to take off (something you never had to do before) so it can get a GPS location to broadcast the operator location. I'm not even sure why it would need to do that because the drone itself has a GPS so wouldn…

GPS return to home/fail safe modes has been a feature of most fpv drone firmware for quite a while. Betaflight, iNav etc .. All support that as long as you have a GPS (+ compass) module installed.

The only thing avata brings is some beginner friendly flight modes for a premium. Kind of like Apple products.

You also have a lot of ready to fly/bind and fly options (buy a radio separately and bind it to your quad and fly) out there these days..

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