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Aubrey Plaza Is the Unfortunate New Face of the Milk Wars

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Re: Aubrey Plaza Is the Unfortunate New Face of the Milk Wars

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Looking at the comments it seems like most are just out of touch with gen z (or whatever gen) as big milk is. Cow milk is for baby cows.

I am out of touch, are we talking about gen z in America, or globally? Is this all gen Z or just the extremely online ones?

Re: Aubrey Plaza Is the Unfortunate New Face of the Milk Wars

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post #71

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Not sure why so downvoted. My kid said a neighbor had almond milk in his fridge, and she hated it. I asked her how she would milk an almond, playing dumbfounded. She said she doesn't think you can, and it's probably just almonds in water. And I told her she's probably right, and it's not milk. She loves milk, fwiw. Consider her one pissed off consumer. Why are these jackasses trying to piggyback?

The anecdote isn’t relevant. Had it been called “almond drink” or “zarplof munksie” the outcome would’ve been the same.

If it were called zarplof munksie, she likely wouldn't have asked for a glass.

Re: Aubrey Plaza Is the Unfortunate New Face of the Milk Wars

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post #76

The “you can’t call it milk” argument was funny when the alternative being offered was “nut juice”, but it’s a dumb hill to die on as a serious proposition. I’m a barista and these alternatives resemble milk, they behave very similarly to milk, etc. In my opinion the substitution is good enough that they can claim the name of milk; the major difference is in nutrition value and taste. (Some intuition pumps for my poi…

Is zero alcohol beer actually beer?

Re: Aubrey Plaza Is the Unfortunate New Face of the Milk Wars

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post #12

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Maple syrup, (other) sugar(s).

Ok so you joke but there’s a product I discovered recently called Maple Butter or Maple cream and it’s amazing and based on the syrup.

I wasn't joking, they are the milk of their respective trees.

Re: Aubrey Plaza Is the Unfortunate New Face of the Milk Wars

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post #76

The “you can’t call it milk” argument was funny when the alternative being offered was “nut juice”, but it’s a dumb hill to die on as a serious proposition. I’m a barista and these alternatives resemble milk, they behave very similarly to milk, etc. In my opinion the substitution is good enough that they can claim the name of milk; the major difference is in nutrition value and taste. (Some intuition pumps for my poi…

Is zero alcohol beer actually beer?

I also pour beer (multi-talented, I know) and my opinion is yes, it is beer. Most common types of beer are between 3% (typical mid-strength “crisp” beers start here) and 7% (typical IPAs top out here), but you also have light beers down at 2% and imperial stouts up at 12%. Specially brewed craft beers go as high as 20%, I don’t see why it would stop being beer if you go as low as 0%.

Where this might get contentious is that zero alcohol beer is made the same way as beer but doesn’t serve the same purpose (inebriation), while oat milk is made a different way to milk but does serve the same purpose. I’m of the opinion that you only need one of the two out of {same purpose, same production} to use the same name.

Re: Aubrey Plaza Is the Unfortunate New Face of the Milk Wars

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post #29

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Cow milk is a battleground topic for global warming and climate change. Gen Z has been encouraged to ditch milk to cut back on industrial cattle farming and methane emissions. They're also told that farming cattle is inhumane. The milk alternatives (almond, etc.) have been framing it this way commercially, but there is also a lot of grassroots campaigning.

I suspect that local milk is better for the environment (or less bad depending on how you look at it) than almond milk in most cases: By far the largest producer of almonds is the USA, I think California mostly, which in itself has a large environmental impact, not least because of the water required. I am in the UK so I can reasonably assume that a lot of the almond milk I see in supermarkets comes from Californian…

No, from a carbon perspective, how you get your food home from the store overwhelms how the food got to the store because the last mile is using 5000lb vehicles to transport 10lbs of groceries whereas all previous steps use 1:1 or less ratios.

Re: Aubrey Plaza Is the Unfortunate New Face of the Milk Wars

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Just going by the numbers cited in the article, milk is almost 6 times as popular in the US as milk alternatives. Let's round "almost 6" down to 5. That would mean milk has 5/6 of the milk-like market. It further goes on to claim that milk consumption is down by 20% among Gen-Z compared to the average. 20% less is 80% or 4/5. So milk's popularity with Gen-Z is 4/5 of 5/6 which equals 2/3. In other words, milk is stil…

But the issue that the dairy industry has is that milk consumption is going down at an increasing rate. As Gen-Z gets older and have children that they don't feed dairy milk to and the cream drinking Boomers die out it will become a much bigger problem.

https://thebeet.com/is-it-embarrassing-to-order-dairy-milk-a...

“Nearly half (49 percent) felt ashamed to order dairy in public in front of their peers,” the Arla press release states. “Although the data showed that 70 percent of Gen Z would prefer to continue to drink dairy, an alarming 57 percent plan to give it up in the next year. Almost a third (29 percent) even admitted to only ordering dairy alternatives when in public, reverting to their favored choice of dairy when in the comfort and privacy of their own homes.

Re: Aubrey Plaza Is the Unfortunate New Face of the Milk Wars

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I suspect that local milk is better for the environment (or less bad depending on how you look at it) than almond milk in most cases: By far the largest producer of almonds is the USA, I think California mostly, which in itself has a large environmental impact, not least because of the water required. I am in the UK so I can reasonably assume that a lot of the almond milk I see in supermarkets comes from Californian…

No, from a carbon perspective, how you get your food home from the store overwhelms how the food got to the store because the last mile is using 5000lb vehicles to transport 10lbs of groceries whereas all previous steps use 1:1 or less ratios.

Not sure what the 'no' refers to, but I suspect that "how you get your food home from the store" is not relevant in a comparison since that would be the same whatever I buy.

Re: Aubrey Plaza Is the Unfortunate New Face of the Milk Wars

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post #16

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It's always been bad for you.

Tell that to the Massai, that live basically on a diet of milk, meat and blood. Just because you wish it to be bad it doesn't change reality my dude.

> Tell that to the Massai, that live basically on a diet of milk, meat and blood

They also live a mainly active, nomadic lifestyle herding cows rather than sitting down staring at a computer screen - and usually die in their forties.

Re: Aubrey Plaza Is the Unfortunate New Face of the Milk Wars

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post #76

The “you can’t call it milk” argument was funny when the alternative being offered was “nut juice”, but it’s a dumb hill to die on as a serious proposition. I’m a barista and these alternatives resemble milk, they behave very similarly to milk, etc. In my opinion the substitution is good enough that they can claim the name of milk; the major difference is in nutrition value and taste. (Some intuition pumps for my poi…

I'd like to think that nut butters set a precedent, thus nut milks should be a thing.
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