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On the unexpected joys of Denglisch, Berlinglish and global Englisch

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Re: On the unexpected joys of Denglisch, Berlinglish and global Englisch

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Well, English is the lingua franca du jour, after all!

That’s because the English are very industrious, not like the French who don’t even have a word for entrepreneur!

Reminds me of the gag, "English is the best language as it always has a mot juste for everything"

Re: On the unexpected joys of Denglisch, Berlinglish and global Englisch

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As an American living in Berlin since 2008, this weird hybrid language is now my brain's default mode, and I have to explicitly code switch to pure English or pure German whenever speaking to someone not bilingual in both.

My non-german-speaking partners now all have learned a few dozen german words and expressions as a result.

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Why would anyone use "downloaden" when there already is "herunterladen" is beyond me.

The worst thing is someone trying to put it in past tense: For "herunterladen" it's easy: "herunter-ge-laden". For "download", the obvious choice is "downloaded", but instead some people prefer the weird hodge-podge of "down-ge-loaded"

I think it looks weird even in present tense: "Ich loade den neuen Gamingstreamvod down".

Re: On the unexpected joys of Denglisch, Berlinglish and global Englisch

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post #68

Why would anyone use "downloaden" when there already is "herunterladen" is beyond me.

The worst thing is someone trying to put it in past tense: For "herunterladen" it's easy: "herunter-ge-laden". For "download", the obvious choice is "downloaded", but instead some people prefer the weird hodge-podge of "down-ge-loaded"

> For "download", the obvious choice is "downloaded", but instead some people prefer the weird hodge-podge of "down-ge-loaded"

Duden lists both "downgeloadet " and "gedownloadet" (note the final "t"). It observes that in printed press texts, "downgeloadet" occurs more frequently, whereas in online texts "gedownloadet" predominates.

I ran a full-text search of my entire Duden library for the word "downloaded" and it does not occur at all.

downloaden: Das Verb downloaden »herunterladen« wird sowohl als trennbares Partikelverb wie auch als nicht trennbares Präfixverb verwendet. Insbesondere beim Partizip II finden sich beide Formen: Wir tragen stylische Jacken, haben Musik downgeloadet und den Ausflug gecancelt (Freie Presse). Hallo, mein Sohn hat ein Spiel illegal über Torrent gedownloadet (finanzfrage.net). In gedruckten Pressetexten kommt downgeloadet häufiger vor, in Onlinetexten hingegen gedownloadet. Beim Infinitiv mit zu wird in Pressetexten meist die Form downzuloaden verwendet. Die finite Verwendung (z. B. ich loade down / ich downloade) kommt fast gar nicht vor, hier wird auf das Verb herunterladen ausgewichen: Er lädt sich spezielle Software aus den USA herunter (c't). Amerikanismen und Anglizismen (1.3), Partikelverb (2.4).

Re: On the unexpected joys of Denglisch, Berlinglish and global Englisch

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post #116

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> nicer cops Until you actually need them. They'll do everything they can to get out from doing any work. Especially if you are foreign.

Not only when you're foreign. They have been useless so far in my life when I actually needed them

Same here. But the way they just this week talked a foreign friend out of filing a PV is absolutely shameful. They fully abuse they fact that she doesn't know her rights that well and isn't as likely to push as a Dutch person might. Disgusting.

Re: On the unexpected joys of Denglisch, Berlinglish and global Englisch

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post #62

(joke warning) The omnipresent English in Europe is the Mohammad English, a very simplified and useful version - spoken by most middle-eastern emigrant, and some Balkan residents. Next to it is the very distinct (by its accent) French-English.

Not funny. Prejudiced. The trope of "Mohammad in Germany" is sinister and should not be propagated in that realm.

This more or less matches my experience in Paris. I would add loud Americans, uneasy Brits, and charming Aussies, but they are not as prominent on the streets or in cafés. It is also very common to hear English with an Indian or Pakistani accent in Paris. And of course the broken and horrible Frenglish some people seem to be so proud of for some reason.

Re: On the unexpected joys of Denglisch, Berlinglish and global Englisch

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post #116

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> nicer cops Until you actually need them. They'll do everything they can to get out from doing any work. Especially if you are foreign.

Not only when you're foreign. They have been useless so far in my life when I actually needed them

Ah, but that is a common trope I think. Is there any state, where police is held in high regards (and shows competence?). My experience with police in germany was a time waste as well.

Re: On the unexpected joys of Denglisch, Berlinglish and global Englisch

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I grew up in a bilingual home. I sometimes refer to what I speak and write as Germish. I routinely have to look up "Is that one word or two?" because German runs words together so much more often than English and I capitalize too many things because German capitalizes all nouns and English only capitalizes proper nouns. A friend of mine once described my capitalization choices as "raising my voice," a place between "…

Tell your friend you are emulating 18th century English: > We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

More like 19th Century German.

My German mother was taught to write by an Elderly Aunt before she started School, so her Handwriting looks like old German Script.

Re: On the unexpected joys of Denglisch, Berlinglish and global Englisch

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post #68

Why would anyone use "downloaden" when there already is "herunterladen" is beyond me.

The worst thing is someone trying to put it in past tense: For "herunterladen" it's easy: "herunter-ge-laden". For "download", the obvious choice is "downloaded", but instead some people prefer the weird hodge-podge of "down-ge-loaded"

I wouldn't call it weird, I think it's common in most languages to use local conjugation rules even for foreign words.

In French, even though "télécharger/téléchargé" is most common and "download" is not really used, I would definitely say "je l'ai downloadé" (and I would expect Quebecers to say mostly that). I have observed a tendency to avoid any conjugation ("je l'ai download") in younger tech workers but I don't know how representative my young colleagues are. It always sounds weird to me and sometimes leads to misunderstandings, in this case for example it's not obvious if the person is saying they "are downloading them" or they "have downloaded it".

In Dutch there is no other word than "download" and it gets conjugated like other Dutch words, "downloaden/downloadde/gedownload". And I always feel like saying "gedownloaded", I probably do it half of the time. I thought it was because my Dutch is far from good, but maybe it's just a natural thing if it happens for native German speakers as well.

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