Brazil judge orders temporary suspension of Telegram
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Re: Brazil judge orders temporary suspension of Telegram
#2No company should think it's above the national laws
Re: Brazil judge orders temporary suspension of Telegram
#3Good luck. They tried to block it in Russia, but it simply broke their own internet for a while and the effectiveness was spotty until they gave up. To this day I believe there is quite little cooperation between the Russian government and Telegram, despite not being E2EE by default, if we don't consider conspiracy theories, unlike all the other services used in Russia which are basically all backdoored by the state directly. I don't think Telegram has a legal presence in Brazil though. How are they going to enforce the fine?
Re: Brazil judge orders temporary suspension of Telegram
#4No company should think it's above the national laws
So they should also hand out the names and locations of people organizing anti-war protests in Russia if ever requested.
Re: Brazil judge orders temporary suspension of Telegram
#5No company should think it's above the national laws
No company should give up it's user data without a fight
It's not even clear that who they were looking for had broken any laws
Re: Brazil judge orders temporary suspension of Telegram
#6Good luck. They tried to block it in Russia, but it simply broke their own internet for a while and the effectiveness was spotty until they gave up. To this day I believe there is quite little cooperation between the Russian government and Telegram, despite not being E2EE by default, if we don't consider conspiracy theories, unlike all the other services used in Russia which are basically all backdoored by the state…
> I don't think Telegram has a legal presence in Brazil though. How are they going to enforce the fine?
I'm sure they are banking on the idea that Telegram cares more about having users in Brazil than about the money. The Brazilian government can decide not to unblock Telegram until they pay the fines.
Of course, if it's that difficult to block Telegram as you suggest, they may eventually give up on both the fines and the blocking.
Re: Brazil judge orders temporary suspension of Telegram
#7No company should think it's above the national laws
Neither should any nation think it has the right to enforce its will on foreign entities.
Re: Brazil judge orders temporary suspension of Telegram
#8Good luck. They tried to block it in Russia, but it simply broke their own internet for a while and the effectiveness was spotty until they gave up. To this day I believe there is quite little cooperation between the Russian government and Telegram, despite not being E2EE by default, if we don't consider conspiracy theories, unlike all the other services used in Russia which are basically all backdoored by the state…
Last year when something like this happened, it came out that there's a legal representative in Rio: https://www1.folha.uol.com.br/internacional/en/brazil/2022/0...
Re: Brazil judge orders temporary suspension of Telegram
#9No company should think it's above the national laws
So they should also hand out the names and locations of people organizing anti-war protests in Russia if ever requested.
Good point, that’s why this conversation has more nuance. In this case, a single judge from one of the Brazilian states has decided to take down an app for the entire country.