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Re: Linen.dev: A 500 kb Slack alternative

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Post by codedokode »

capableweb wrote: post #14
CoolGuySteve wrote: post #11

500KB seems to be the bundle size, how much RAM does the client use?

At https://www.linen.dev/s/linen Page open: Firefox: 18.5MB Chrome: 12.1MB After browsing: Firefox: 27.14MB Chrome: 11.7MB

You must probably be using 16-bit computer because on my x86_64 system Firefox's about:processes tab shows 45-65 Mb of RAM usage after opening this page and scrolling. And Firefox's builtin tools tend to show smaller number than real usage: htop shows use of 85 Mb of PSS (proportional set size, that properly accounts for pages shared between processes).

Re: Linen.dev: A 500 kb Slack alternative

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Post by MuffinFlavored »

SparkyMcUnicorn wrote: post #67
billiam wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It appears that they used Webpack, which I found interesting given other alternatives.

The UI package appears to use Rollup. And this looks like the PR for the icons update: https://github.com/Linen-dev/linen.dev/pull/1001

they had to change every import for an icon in 60 files. Wouldn’t it have been better if a PR was done against Rollup to fix this “bug”? probably much more difficult/not possible?

Re: Linen.dev: A 500 kb Slack alternative

#83

Post by capableweb »

codedokode wrote: post #81
capableweb wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At https://www.linen.dev/s/linen Page open: Firefox: 18.5MB Chrome: 12.1MB After browsing: Firefox: 27.14MB Chrome: 11.7MB

You must probably be using 16-bit computer because on my x86_64 system Firefox's about:processes tab shows 45-65 Mb of RAM usage after opening this page and scrolling. And Firefox's builtin tools tend to show smaller number than real usage: htop shows use of 85 Mb of PSS (proportional set size, that properly accounts for pages shared between processes).

Or you must be measuring something more than just the memory Linen uses, like measuring how much memory the tab itself takes, which is Firefox + the application.

Doing a heap snapshot will give you a better view of the page memory usage in isolation, without involving the browser itself.

Re: Linen.dev: A 500 kb Slack alternative

#84

Post by wg0 »

urbandw311er wrote: post #68
cheeseblubber wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We do have a paid offering. Basically it's free on Linen's domain for public communities and we let you host on your domain like: https://archive.pulumi.com/ https://linen.prefect.io/ https://slack-chats.kotlinlang.org/

And you guarantee in writing that this pricing structure will never change?

VC game will get crazy. Most VC backed products will have their end day like Twitter has almost.

Initial and middle Investors kept passing the pie to the next bigger fool and the last bigger fool is now stuck with a very expensive web property desperate to recoup the investment let alone a 10x return.

Sounds like a Bitcoin food chain.

And then - aggressive monitization, price hikes staff cuts, SLAs adjustments etc.

Re: Linen.dev: A 500 kb Slack alternative

#85

Post by MichaelZuo »

wg0 wrote: post #84
urbandw311er wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And you guarantee in writing that this pricing structure will never change?

VC game will get crazy. Most VC backed products will have their end day like Twitter has almost. Initial and middle Investors kept passing the pie to the next bigger fool and the last bigger fool is now stuck with a very expensive web property desperate to recoup the investment let alone a 10x return. Sounds like a Bitcoin food chain. And then - aggressive monitization, price hikes staff cuts, SLAs adjustments etc.

I doubt it, VC firms and their principals have a reputation, and the community is not so big that they can endlessly pass the buck like this, without suffering consequences.

Re: Linen.dev: A 500 kb Slack alternative

#86

Post by MichaelZuo »

thex10 wrote: post #37

Not enough discussion here of the parts under "Our Optimization Strategies", which was the most interesting to me. Assorted reactions: > We found that react-icons had an issue that lead to everything being imported. This meant that we were including every single react-icon in our package whether we need it or not. Kudos to the Linen team for proactively finding this - I have a feeling tons of projects blindly trust t…

> Love seeing websites make smart choices about which work to handle in the server versus the client.

The intro community discussion page at https://www.linen.dev/s/linen does need to load 20+ javascript files for some reason to show the latest messages.

Whereas messages still show up even if javascript is entirely blocked, just starting from the beginning in 10/2022 (?).

So I'm not quite sure if it's as optimized as it can be.

Re: Linen.dev: A 500 kb Slack alternative

#87

Post by steve_adams_86 »

I highly recommend front end devs add a step to their CI pipeline which extracts bundle size information from the build and includes it in pull requests, or something similar. It's great to have eyes on how heavy your bundle is, and keeping an eye on how it changes over time (easy to add as part of the pipeline) can help the team understand when things are trending the right way or not.

It's usually a call you need to make based on what you're shipping, but at the very least, it'll ensure you don't blow up your performance because something slipped by.

Finally, looking at the components of your bundle if you haven't already is well worth it. Like the people over at Linen noticed, they were shipping a ton of icons they were never using. This is happening all over the internet, and it's a real drag on the network, parsing, and executing phases in a browser. If you benchmark, you'll see significant differences when you trim things back.

If you have customers using lower powered devices, this is even more crucial.

Re: Linen.dev: A 500 kb Slack alternative

#88

Post by _fat_santa »

thex10 wrote: post #37

Not enough discussion here of the parts under "Our Optimization Strategies", which was the most interesting to me. Assorted reactions: > We found that react-icons had an issue that lead to everything being imported. This meant that we were including every single react-icon in our package whether we need it or not. Kudos to the Linen team for proactively finding this - I have a feeling tons of projects blindly trust t…

With icons, I've stopped using icon libraries a while back and now import just the SVG code that I need. I'm a big fan of Hero Icons[1] and they offer a way to quickly copy JSX or SVG code to the clipboard to faciliate this workflow.

[1]: https://heroicons.com/

Re: Linen.dev: A 500 kb Slack alternative

#89

Post by sideproject »

anyfactor wrote: post #6

We actively evaluated Linen in launching our community. Although, we went with discourse as we are going for a forum type community platform but Linen certainly has fantastic potential. One very minor friction point with Linen was, it needs to be a bit transparent about their pricing for business tier. I don't think "contact us" pricing strategy is the perfect fit Linen's target audience.

I've recently launched HN+

https://www.hn.plus

For anyone interested in HN-type forums (with lots of other features we've built)

Re: Linen.dev: A 500 kb Slack alternative

#90

Post by breck »

tomrod wrote: post #17
mdaniel wrote: post #5

the Show HN: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33248488 and there was another thread last year for their main domain https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31494908 I wish all the locked away Slack communities would use Linen[1] because there are so many nuggets of bug-fixery buried in Slack that will age off or never be found in the horrors of Slack search 1: I really wish they'd just stop using Slack entirely sinc…

Tell me more about Zulip?

Recently I saw that the Rust dev community is using Zulip: https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com/

I haven't used it yet, but in general excited by projects like Linen and Zulip. I hate Slack and Discord (I love the web, deep links, and indexability/searchability)

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