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Re: Show HN: Learn German with Short Stories

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This is off to a great start. I've been studying German through various methods for around 3 years now. Mostly as a mental exercise but also because I love German television. For me, reading has been one of most productive ways to learn.

can you recommend any German shows? thanks!!

Re: Show HN: Learn German with Short Stories

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Native German speaker here. My partner is a native English speaker and I was about to recommend this to her. However, it looks like a lot of this is auto generated/translated, making it sound unnatural or sometimes just wrong. For example: I looked at this example story [1] and the practice question is slightly bad grammar. It should be "Wer ging im Wald spazieren?", not "Wer ging spazieren im Wald?". Or: "Sie lachte…

I think this can be solved through asking the LLM to improve the output itself. I asked GPT-4 to "provide more idiomatic and grammatically correct versions. Consider whether each phrase sounds like German," and got the following output: Wer ging im Wald spazieren? Max war sehr dankbar für Lisas Hilfe und lud sie zum Eisessen ein. Sie gingen zu einer nahegelegenen Eisdiele und verbrachten den restlichen Tag zusammen.…

This can also be solved picking a copy of Goethe's Faust in German. It's an entertaining story.

Re: Show HN: Learn German with Short Stories

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post #40

I taught myself some German by translating Die Bruders Grimm stories word by word, writing between the lines. Combined with other learning sources it seemed to work okay.

“Die Brüder Grimm” ;) A lot of those stories aren’t written in contemporary German and would sound very weird if you used it in your day to day language.

As someone who learned German as a second language (so take this with a pinch of salt and feel free that I did this wrong/bad), I found older German works useful for the purpose of understanding sentence structure and grammatical case. Immersion introduces vocabulary and contemporary ways of speaking. Stuff like the verb in second position was not difficult for me and asking questions by leading with a verb is actually still used frequently in English (more so in en-GB). Additionally, a number of European languages heavily use the verb “to have” in ways similar to each other, where an American English speaker may use “to be”, or “to do”, but the one thing that, to this day, I find myself struggling with occasionally is the gottverlassen grammatical case.

Re: Show HN: Learn German with Short Stories

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post #40

I taught myself some German by translating Die Bruders Grimm stories word by word, writing between the lines. Combined with other learning sources it seemed to work okay.

“Die Brüder Grimm” ;) A lot of those stories aren’t written in contemporary German and would sound very weird if you used it in your day to day language.

so to make it plural, you just change the u to a ü?

Re: Show HN: Learn German with Short Stories

#45
post #19

This is off to a great start. I've been studying German through various methods for around 3 years now. Mostly as a mental exercise but also because I love German television. For me, reading has been one of most productive ways to learn.

can you recommend any German shows? thanks!!

I liked: Türkisch für Anfänger, Dark, Kleo, ans Stromberg. Unfortunately I’d say IMHO if you’re accustomed to US series you won’t find a lot of German ones that stand up to the production values and acting quality. Dark is a notable exception there I think.

Re: Show HN: Learn German with Short Stories

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Clicking on the words launches new tabs/windows into Google for translation. Very annoying. sending me to Google as a search link is super annoying. Some words (e.g., war, Tag, um) are not only in German, so the translations can be confusing.

Translation can be done prior to displaying the story, and make the words appear as hover boxes, and even provide more language context.

The example story is asking me to log in and subscribe to get a full demo. A demonstration in my mind supposed to demonstrate how the system works prior to commitment.

I am unable to provide you free QC/QA because I would have to give you my email.

Re: Show HN: Learn German with Short Stories

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post #40

I taught myself some German by translating Die Bruders Grimm stories word by word, writing between the lines. Combined with other learning sources it seemed to work okay.

“Die Brüder Grimm” ;) A lot of those stories aren’t written in contemporary German and would sound very weird if you used it in your day to day language.

True, but they are beautiful, in my opinion, and if you're going to have to spend some time working on a text it helps if the text is something that you're willing to spend time on. Also, although the "Kinder- und Hausmärchen" use old-fashioned language, it's an old-fashioned spoken German, which means that in some ways they're closer to modern colloquial German than a lot of modern prose. They won't suit everyone but I'd definitely recommend that anyone learning German give them a try.

If you did want weird, how about learning German from the lyrics of Bach cantatas? :-)

Re: Show HN: Learn German with Short Stories

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post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

“Die Brüder Grimm” ;) A lot of those stories aren’t written in contemporary German and would sound very weird if you used it in your day to day language.

so to make it plural, you just change the u to a ü?

In this case yes. Not in every case. I don’t know if there’s a rule

Re: Show HN: Learn German with Short Stories

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post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

“Die Brüder Grimm” ;) A lot of those stories aren’t written in contemporary German and would sound very weird if you used it in your day to day language.

so to make it plural, you just change the u to a ü?

In most cases for „der Bruder“, the answer is yes: the plural is „die Brüder“.

But in the dative (Dativ) case where the "brothers" are an indirect object, the plural form has a different spelling. The singular „den Bruder“ transforms into „den Brüdern“. For example, if you want to say "I gave it to the brothers," you can say: „Ich habe es den Brüdern gegeben“.

To figure out the plural forms, I use the online Leo dictionary (e.g. at https://dict.leo.org/german-english/bruder), which often includes a table icon for indicating when the noun endings change in other cases.

For studying plural forms of any noun, you can follow general rules for pluralization and individually memorize the plural forms of each noun with flashcards. You can also read and listen to native content to develop an intuition for what sounds right.

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