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Re: Netflix loses 1M users in Spain over password policing

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Post by Sohcahtoa82 »

Varqu wrote: post #65
MadSudaca wrote: post #42

It's funny. Right now I have access to around 5 streaming services while I only pay for 2. My girlfriend's friend has access to Netflix, my sis HBO. I provide access to Disney+ and Prime to my family. I used to get YT premium from my sis's boyfriend, but they detected I'm not in the family household and they kicked me out. If it wasn't because other people use my accounts (and I use theirs), I wouldn't be paying for…

It's interesting to see that free market competition actually worsened the customer offering when it comes to streaming services. Back in the days, Netflix was a one-to-see-all service and that was also one of the reasons why it took people from torrenting to paying for movies. Nowadays, if you want to watch a particular movie, you have maybe a 10% chance that it is available on the streaming service that you are cur…

> It's interesting to see that free market competition actually worsened the customer offering when it comes to streaming services.

I don't know why anybody could possibly be surprised by this.

Businesses do not optimize for customer satisfaction, they optimize for profit. Customer satisfaction is merely a pathway to profitability.

When $STUDIO decides to pull their content from Netflix so they can put it on their own streaming service, nobody should be surprised. They're trying to optimize their profits. They don't care customers will be annoyed paying for two streaming services, they're betting they'll make more from customers paying them directly than from Netflix's licensing fees.

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Post by passion__desire »

Miraste wrote: post #379
passion__desire wrote: post #362

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why is Netflix not following short high quality 1-3 min videos model which is popular with young crowd? They already have Fast laughs tab which mimics that. Youtube / Creative studios could pitch 1-3 min video ideas which Netflix could greenlight and provide just bare minimum capital to produce. If the final film is good, Netflix could buy the film and release on their platform. Current Trends which are in favour of…

The pitch/studio model does not work for short content, and it never will. It's too slow-moving and corporate. The videos that succeed in this format are zeitgeist, flash-in-the-pan trends that are faster to produce and more dynamic than even the laziest reality show. The production value doesn't really matter--if anything it's a downside past a point.

Odd1sOut (Youtube Creator) has a animation series on Netflix. So in some sense, Netflix is already doing it. They just have to create a marketplace for this.

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Post by acuozzo »

themitigating wrote: post #371
acuozzo wrote: post #342

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> Can you offer a full throated defense of why you feel it's okay to pirate media in 2023 -- NOT OP -- In the general case, no, but consider the cases of: 1. "Altered media" e.g. (1) Star Wars, (2) THX 1138. 2. "Remixed media" e.g. (1) Terminator 2 not having its theatrical CDS mix, (2) Earthquake not having its SENSURROUND mix 3. "Omitted media" e.g. (1) Halloween not having its original mono soundtrack, (2) The Exo…

Why would it be ok in these cases?

If art has value, then its form has value as well since art devoid of form is just communication which is no longer art.

If the form of art has value, then the original form of that art has at least as much value since it reflects the original intention of the artist which inherently has value by being part of the historical record.

If the original form of art has value, then there's value in preserving it for future generations to appreciate.

If there's value in preserving the original form of art, then there's value in distributing it widely since history has shown time and time again that copyright holders alone are not enough...

    1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1937_Fox_vault_fire

    2. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1965_MGM_vault_fire

    3. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_Universal_Studios_fire

    4. https://www.bbc.co.uk/archive/bbc-archives--wiped-missing-and-lost/z4nkvk7

    5. https://faroutmagazine.co.uk/the-steely-dan-songs-on-aja-that-cant-be-remixed/

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Post by josephcsible »

Faark wrote: post #349
phpisthebest wrote: post #286

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Nothing in your post has anything to do with free markets... markets maybe, but copyright is not a "free market".... it is by definition a monopoly a free market in content would be requiring the copyright holder to following something like FRAND for patents, and disallow them from making "exclusive" deals with one provider, this would then mean the market would be on price, speed, other competitive factors not on co…

Jup, gp was talking about unregulated markets. Those surprisingly often have winner take it all outcomes. I don't want to go back to company towns. BTW back to the current situation with streaming services, we nearly would have had the same with movie theaters. But United States v. Paramount Pictures, Inc. shut that down, thankfully. Wouldn't expect such a ruling these days, though :(

It isn't an unregulated market. Copyright is a regulation.

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Post by duxup »

dublinben wrote: post #358
duxup wrote: post #311

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I'd rather encourage better options with my money than pirate. Granted there aren't many / any. I do donate to my local PBS station ... the content they provide is pretty dang good.

The Criterion Collection now offers a streaming service, which consists mostly of what would be considered "better options" than the typical mainstream chaff. https://www.criterionchannel.com/

TY, that's very interesting.

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Post by babypuncher »

Alupis wrote: post #390
babypuncher wrote: post #374

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I think some people's expectations of Netflix were downright unrealistic. When they started streaming, the platform was paying pennies to license shows that were already in syndication. Programs that had already made their money in first runs on network TV and cable. As streaming became the de facto distribution method for new content, of course the cost of licensing that content ewas going to go up. Streaming licens…

None of which says "Make a million garbage shows and movies that nobody asked for and few actually enjoy - then raise monthly rates to bankroll these pet projects". Here's an idea - quality over quantity. Make fewer, but better shows and movies.

That is Netflix trying to carve out their niche in timeline #3. They think they can compete with the other services by having a little of something for everyone.

The poor average quality of their content is why I cancelled Netflix and switched to a mix of HBO, Hulu, and Paramount.

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Post by nerpderp82 »

passion__desire wrote: post #386
themitigating wrote: post #369

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Wasn't this what Quibi tried?

Not sure why Quibi failed. Maybe trying to get distribution/tech and content right at the same time didn't work for them. Netflix doesn't have distribution problem, just content and it should try to iterate on what works. Personally, there are so many short stories (e.g. by Greg Egan, Borges, others[0]) which I would like it to reach mass audience. Rights are tricky issue though. https://qntm.org/responsibilit [0]

Quibi failed because they over capitalized it and then pulled out when it didn't have the xxM DAUs. They basically launched and had an amazing journey in the same month.

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Post by scantron4 »

brucethemoose2 wrote: post #298
Jenk wrote: post #79

Netflix have really dissapointed me. I've been a subscriber since before streaming, and have even been content paying the subscription fee during the "breaks" of not using their service for up to months at a time because I so badly want(ed) them to succeed. I also understood the difficult situation they were facing when the producers of content were makkng ridiculous demands on their distribution, or worse, just pull…

Use Reelgood or justwatch to search, and you can still find good stuff. Netflix may have a quality problem, but another one (and a much easier one to fix) is their stupid recommendation algorithm. It shows me nothing but trash and genres (like Love is Blind) I absolutely dont want to see, while I have to use a 3rd party service to dig for gems. I cant help but wonder if thats skewing their own metrics. People are goi…

Justwatch refuses to show me multi channel searches without amc+, for some reason. Either a really annoying advertising plot or a glitch with my account.

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Post by josephcsible »

geodel wrote: post #315

Perhaps Netflix is finally coming to conclusion that they can't keep increasing prices for honest users forever so as not to anger sharers and free riders.

If you're paying for a plan with 4 concurrent streams, how is it dishonest to share it with 3 other people?
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