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The Role of Diet on the Gut Microbiome, Mood and Happiness

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Re: The Role of Diet on the Gut Microbiome, Mood and Happiness

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Post by jader201 »

nawgz wrote: post #28
runlaszlorun wrote: post #23

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> I think most of us would agree that makes sense? Eat like crap, feel like crap? I’m just an average joe trying to figure out how to improve a diet, but I haven’t found much of a consensus regarding fats vs proteins vs carbohydrates.

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> Really? Are you reading articles sponsored by Big Ag or something?

> Edit: downvoters really need to open up Wikipedia and read "Essential Nutrients" > This is a comical set of people downvoting me while literally stating facts, because Big Ag propaganda worked on them

Regardless of your facts, I’d say the downvotes are from your tone here.

See the guidelines[1], particularly the first two paragraphs under “In Comments”:

> Be kind. Don't be snarky. Converse curiously; don't cross-examine. Edit out swipes.

> Please don't fulminate. Please don't sneer, including at the rest of the community.

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: The Role of Diet on the Gut Microbiome, Mood and Happiness

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Post by guhcampos »

nawgz wrote: post #38
joshmanders wrote: post #35

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Except you need carbohydrates. Many people consider "carbs" as bread, sugar and other "bad" things but many things you consider "good" are also carbs, like veggies.

> Except you need carbohydrates Your usage of need is directly contrary to the dictionary definition of need. Have you heard of ketosis? > many things you consider "good" are also carbs, like veggies Veggies are not good for the carbs they contain (Fiber has some value of course, but not really as a carbohydrate), but instead for the nutrients (commonly known as "vitamins/minerals") they contain in edible forms for o…

"Never" is a bit extreme. It's almost never high value for the average programmer Joe, but super high value for athletes, physically taxing jobs, amateur runners and so on.

Both carbs value and dread come from their quick, easily convertible energy, which used to be a big plus when we were all working the land or building stuff, but indeed has very little value when we sit on our assets all day.

Re: The Role of Diet on the Gut Microbiome, Mood and Happiness

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Post by BobbyJo »

nawgz wrote: post #28
runlaszlorun wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I think most of us would agree that makes sense? Eat like crap, feel like crap? I’m just an average joe trying to figure out how to improve a diet, but I haven’t found much of a consensus regarding fats vs proteins vs carbohydrates.

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Fats are not universally healthy. Saturated fats (above a threshold) and Trans fats are bad for you, the latter being very unhealthy and basically the worst thing you can eat.

Conversely, the right carbohydrates can be very healthy when consumed correctly.

"Essential" means just that, essential. It doesn't say anything about how much you should eat, how often, when, or anything else. Plenty of unessential things are good to consume, like non-essential amino acids.

The leading cause of death for the developed world is heart disease, and a diet high in saturated fat and low in fiber is a great way to get it.

Re: The Role of Diet on the Gut Microbiome, Mood and Happiness

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Post by BobbyJo »

hinkley wrote: post #15
blakesterz wrote: post #13

"After the diet change, we observed significant changes in measures of anxiety, well-being and happiness, and without changes in gut microbiome diversity. We found strong correlations between greater consumption of fat and protein to lower anxiety and depression, while consuming higher percentages of carbohydrates was associated with increased stress, anxiety, and depression." I think most of us would agree that make…

Fiber reducing biodiversity would be news. I thought consensus was the other way around?

It was a 2 week study, and diet was only changed for a week. The time period was probably long enough for existing microbes to decline due to environmental changes, but not long enough for new microbes that favor the new conditions to move in.

If you've ever dramatically changed your diet, you'll know a week is not long enough for the resulting GI upset to subside. It often takes a month or longer.

Re: The Role of Diet on the Gut Microbiome, Mood and Happiness

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Post by denvaar »

runlaszlorun wrote: post #23
blakesterz wrote: post #13

"After the diet change, we observed significant changes in measures of anxiety, well-being and happiness, and without changes in gut microbiome diversity. We found strong correlations between greater consumption of fat and protein to lower anxiety and depression, while consuming higher percentages of carbohydrates was associated with increased stress, anxiety, and depression." I think most of us would agree that make…

> I think most of us would agree that makes sense? Eat like crap, feel like crap? I’m just an average joe trying to figure out how to improve a diet, but I haven’t found much of a consensus regarding fats vs proteins vs carbohydrates.

In the same boat. Lately I try to just focus on cutting out processed foods and sugar.

Re: The Role of Diet on the Gut Microbiome, Mood and Happiness

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Post by nawgz »

BobbyJo wrote: post #53
nawgz wrote: post #28

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Fats are not universally healthy. Saturated fats (above a threshold) and Trans fats are bad for you, the latter being very unhealthy and basically the worst thing you can eat. Conversely, the right carbohydrates can be very healthy when consumed correctly. "Essential" means just that, essential. It doesn't say anything about how much you should eat, how often, when, or anything else. Plenty of unessential things are…

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Re: The Role of Diet on the Gut Microbiome, Mood and Happiness

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Post by hombre_fatal »

runlaszlorun wrote: post #23
blakesterz wrote: post #13

"After the diet change, we observed significant changes in measures of anxiety, well-being and happiness, and without changes in gut microbiome diversity. We found strong correlations between greater consumption of fat and protein to lower anxiety and depression, while consuming higher percentages of carbohydrates was associated with increased stress, anxiety, and depression." I think most of us would agree that make…

> I think most of us would agree that makes sense? Eat like crap, feel like crap? I’m just an average joe trying to figure out how to improve a diet, but I haven’t found much of a consensus regarding fats vs proteins vs carbohydrates.

Minimize saturated fat (by replacing it with unsaturated fat). Get enough protein. Eat healthy carbs*.

* On HN and other social media, "carbs" is a euphemism for sugar and cake rather than beans and vegetables, so people will talk about how carbs made them fat when you know they're not talking about slamming back-to-back cans of garbanzos.

And don't take any nutrition advice seriously that doesn't break fat apart into saturated and unsaturated.

Re: The Role of Diet on the Gut Microbiome, Mood and Happiness

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Post by danesparza »

hombre_fatal wrote: post #57
runlaszlorun wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I think most of us would agree that makes sense? Eat like crap, feel like crap? I’m just an average joe trying to figure out how to improve a diet, but I haven’t found much of a consensus regarding fats vs proteins vs carbohydrates.

Minimize saturated fat (by replacing it with unsaturated fat). Get enough protein. Eat healthy carbs*. * On HN and other social media, "carbs" is a euphemism for sugar and cake rather than beans and vegetables, so people will talk about how carbs made them fat when you know they're not talking about slamming back-to-back cans of garbanzos. And don't take any nutrition advice seriously that doesn't break fat apart int…

"slamming back-to-back cans of garbanzos"

I think I just threw up a little bit in my mouth ...

Re: The Role of Diet on the Gut Microbiome, Mood and Happiness

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Post by adriand »

hombre_fatal wrote: post #57
runlaszlorun wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I think most of us would agree that makes sense? Eat like crap, feel like crap? I’m just an average joe trying to figure out how to improve a diet, but I haven’t found much of a consensus regarding fats vs proteins vs carbohydrates.

Minimize saturated fat (by replacing it with unsaturated fat). Get enough protein. Eat healthy carbs*. * On HN and other social media, "carbs" is a euphemism for sugar and cake rather than beans and vegetables, so people will talk about how carbs made them fat when you know they're not talking about slamming back-to-back cans of garbanzos. And don't take any nutrition advice seriously that doesn't break fat apart int…

I think "healthy carbs" might be a bit too vague. There are simple and complex carbohydrates, and the latter can be further broken down between starchy carbohydrates like grains and fibrous carbohydrates like vegetables. There is nothing inherently unhealthy about any of these types of carbohydrates: simple carbs (e.g. fructose) are in fruit, complex carbs in whole grains, etc. I think it is probably more helpful to avoid processed foods rather than to try and label carbohydrates themselves as healthy or unhealthy.

Re: The Role of Diet on the Gut Microbiome, Mood and Happiness

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Post by hombre_fatal »

danesparza wrote: post #58
hombre_fatal wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Minimize saturated fat (by replacing it with unsaturated fat). Get enough protein. Eat healthy carbs*. * On HN and other social media, "carbs" is a euphemism for sugar and cake rather than beans and vegetables, so people will talk about how carbs made them fat when you know they're not talking about slamming back-to-back cans of garbanzos. And don't take any nutrition advice seriously that doesn't break fat apart int…

"slamming back-to-back cans of garbanzos" I think I just threw up a little bit in my mouth ...

You're missing out. Here's Internet Shaquille's video on how to prepare them as a snack in 5 minutes: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5EU76q3Vf3Q

Highly recommend you try it. Get the Del Monte canned garbanzos if you live in North America.

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