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Re: We glued together content moderation to stop soccer pirates

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Post by IG_Semmelweiss » Wed, Apr 26, 2023, 4:38 AM UTC

whoisstan wrote: post #33

emacdona wrote: post #8

Sigh... f*ck sports leagues/governing bodies. The reason some honest people pirate streams for sporting events is because they make it so annoying to pay for them. Some examples... I live in the US. I briefly took an interest in the EPL. If I wanted to watch all EPL games (or have the option of watching any particular EPL game), I'd have to subscribe to Peacock _and_ Fubo -- and I'm still not sure that gets me all ga…

100% agree. I watch Bundesliga, with sky Germany over VPN you could watch all games 2/3 years ago, not some of them are on DAZN which also charges. ChampionsLeague used to be sky as well, not its prime. Not to mention English, Spanish and Italian league. I watch 4-5h soccer a week throughout the league based in time and interest. Without pirating I would have to pay several hundreds of dollars. Ridiculous.

Without pirating I don't even know if I could watch my 1 hr game per week.

Now im literally paying pirates. Its a pittance and its much better service.

Re: We glued together content moderation to stop soccer pirates

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Post by Crosseye_Jack » Wed, Apr 26, 2023, 4:39 AM UTC

12907835202 wrote: post #93

temp_praneshp wrote: post #62

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If you watch Tottenham despite all that, you deserve the pain their football causes. Jokes apart, is the BT Sports "early kick off games" completely different from the Sky Sports game you mentioned? That's ridiculous. I was in England in Summer 2019 for the cricket world cup, and was shocked at how difficult it was to watch the games on TV. Wimbledon was very easy though, so maybe Tennis is way more popular?

Tennis is definitely not more popular. It's odd that you seem to think popularity = it would be easier. Soccer's popularity is what causes this issue because there is so much money to be made by splitting it up and selling to multiple companies rather than just one cheap, easy solution. If Tennis attempted the same it would be so detrimental to its viewership it wouldn't be able to survive. Unlike soccer which is so…

> Soccer's popularity is what causes this issue because there is so much money to be made by splitting it up and selling to multiple companies rather than just one cheap, easy solution.

The reason they are split up in the UK is to stop a single pay tv gaining a monopoly on the broadcasts like in the past. So even if sky wished to pay all of the monies for all the games they can’t, they are limited to a set number of game blocks they can purchase, so the other providers get a chance at showing some games too.

It was meant to be a “good thing” but turned into the mess we have today.

However IIRC this only covers the premier league, TV providers can bid for all the games in other leagues. But not really much of a football fan so I don’t follow the subject that closely.

Re: We glued together content moderation to stop soccer pirates

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Post by jaimex2 » Wed, Apr 26, 2023, 4:43 AM UTC

komali2 wrote: post #95

duskwuff wrote: post #24

So, a lot of users in this thread seem to be misunderstanding what Mux is, and how the "soccer pirates" interact with their service. Let me clarify: Mux is a streaming infrastructure provider. They provide services for companies who want to stream video to their users -- news web sites, video chat services, etc. Kind of like web hosting, but specifically for video. They are not a video content provider; they do not s…

In that case, isn't this a similar situation platforms like Twitter or Youtube find themselves in, where they don't want to take full responsibility for moderation or suddenly they're liable for all the harmful content on their platforms, but on the other hand they're forced to moderate just enough to avoid governments forcing them to be on the hook? It seems like such a weird place to be in.

Agreed. Why you would accept stopping the buck and not work with your legal team to proxy litigation the same way all big tech does is beyond me.

Re: We glued together content moderation to stop soccer pirates

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Post by maccard » Wed, Apr 26, 2023, 4:48 AM UTC

antman wrote: post #94

esharte wrote: post #31

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If you lived in the UK, supported Tottenham and wanted to watch all their games in the 2021/22 season you had to: Subscribe to Sky Sports (around £50-60 a month) for the Premier League games. Subscribe to BT Sports (30 a month) for the Saturday early kick off Premier League games and the Europa Conference League games. Subscribe to Amazon Prime for the 3 random weeks when they are showing the Premier League games ins…

What is the 3pm saturday blackout?

No matches are televised in the UK on Saturday Afternoons between 3 and 5:30(?). Allegedly, it's to encourage people to attend games rather than watch them.

Re: We glued together content moderation to stop soccer pirates

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Post by zimpenfish » Wed, Apr 26, 2023, 4:51 AM UTC

antman wrote: post #94

esharte wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you lived in the UK, supported Tottenham and wanted to watch all their games in the 2021/22 season you had to: Subscribe to Sky Sports (around £50-60 a month) for the Premier League games. Subscribe to BT Sports (30 a month) for the Saturday early kick off Premier League games and the Europa Conference League games. Subscribe to Amazon Prime for the 3 random weeks when they are showing the Premier League games ins…

What is the 3pm saturday blackout?

Games that happen at 3pm on Saturday are only allowed to be shown on TV to, uh, every country in the world except the UK. It is the stupidest holdover from Olden Times which has meant the fixture list is now fragmented across almost the entire week to accommodate broadcasters whilst attendances at those matches are still (modulo e.g. being a Monday night) "good".

https://www.football-stadiums.co.uk/articles/football-tv-bla...

Re: We glued together content moderation to stop soccer pirates

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Post by marcus_holmes » Wed, Apr 26, 2023, 4:51 AM UTC

elliottcarlson wrote: post #77

seb1204 wrote: post #45

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I agree, since Netflix and others are around I don't see much point in spending time and effort on finding a pirate copy of movie X that I can't find on the streaming platforms. i typical move on.

There's definitely a trend of moving back to pirating, just because all the studios and channels are opting for their own service and removing content from Netflix. I don't want to pay for Netflix, Peacock, HBO, Disney+, etc. Not to mention, the tools for finding, downloading, and locally streaming content has become super easy.

Can confirm.

We had a shared-house discussion recently about this. Everyone put their hand up to pay for one streaming service, except for the people who said they'd prefer to pirate their video because it's so painful to pay for.

They did not do the same for music because it's unnecessary - everyone has their own Spotify/Apple subscription that gives them access to all the music.

Re: We glued together content moderation to stop soccer pirates

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Post by karlshea » Wed, Apr 26, 2023, 4:57 AM UTC

factotvm wrote: post #97

karlshea wrote: post #58

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MLS Season Pass on Apple TV has been great. Way better content, way better stream quality, and no blackouts. Such a better experience than the hodgepodge of OTA TV, ESPN, ESPN+, FS1, RSNs etc that it has been in previous seasons.

It’s been great in many ways, but the user interface is horrible. Why they show the scores on the thumbnail for replays is beyond me. Time shifting is all about not knowing the outcome beforehand. It’s as if this was created by people who don’t understand sport ball at all. But I don’t know what excuse they can use for burying the replays in the first place such that I found others on the web thinking the same as me—…

On several platforms you can disable the "Show Sports Scores" setting. However it is ridiculous that setting doesn't exist everywhere they support Apple TV (for example... macOS).

The full replay thing is also silly, but they did change that recently. It's now a separate tile instead of a long press on the latest tvOS/macOS.

Re: We glued together content moderation to stop soccer pirates

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Post by kioleanu » Wed, Apr 26, 2023, 5:04 AM UTC

I have the same problem like the others say in Germany. I have a Bundesliga season ticket for which I pay 360 euros and I see all home matches in person. Away matches are a completely different story. Half of them are shown by Sky, the other half by DAZN, and for some matches they only show highlights during the game. Sky wants 30 euros per month and at least a year of subscription and DAZN wants 25 euros per month.

My life doesn't revolve around football, I don't need to see all matches, just my team's. I would gladly pay 10-12 euros for pay per view, but no, that's apparently not an option.

Re: We glued together content moderation to stop soccer pirates

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Post by RollAHardSix » Wed, Apr 26, 2023, 5:07 AM UTC

emacdona wrote: post #8

Sigh... f*ck sports leagues/governing bodies. The reason some honest people pirate streams for sporting events is because they make it so annoying to pay for them. Some examples... I live in the US. I briefly took an interest in the EPL. If I wanted to watch all EPL games (or have the option of watching any particular EPL game), I'd have to subscribe to Peacock _and_ Fubo -- and I'm still not sure that gets me all ga…

Exactly this. I am a rabid women's soccer fan. I study and follow the draft like a professional coach, watch as many matches as I can, drive three hours to NWSL matches when I can, try and catch overseas games when possible, and I am continuously frustrated by the broken state of sports streaming. The NWSL shows up on ParamountPlus, unlesss its on CBS, unless its on CBSSN, unless its on Twitch on like three different Twitch channels - it is maddening as a hardcore fan and in no way leads to a casual fan having an easy time to watch.

I am heartbroken too at the amount of historical matches that will be lost because they simply aren't available. NWSL, FA WSL, International Friendlies or International Cups. It will all be lost over time as streaming partnerships change. The key to making better players is a better soccer culture and that means the key is to have them watch the game, love the game.

I have had seasons where I have almost quit as a fan because how frustratingly disorganized it all is. I know partnerships are important, but these leagues need to start pushing for their own streaming infrastructure or unified streaming partner or they will see the sport tip into irrelevance with the general public.

Re: We glued together content moderation to stop soccer pirates

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Post by JenrHywy » Wed, Apr 26, 2023, 5:17 AM UTC

emacdona wrote: post #8

Sigh... f*ck sports leagues/governing bodies. The reason some honest people pirate streams for sporting events is because they make it so annoying to pay for them. Some examples... I live in the US. I briefly took an interest in the EPL. If I wanted to watch all EPL games (or have the option of watching any particular EPL game), I'd have to subscribe to Peacock _and_ Fubo -- and I'm still not sure that gets me all ga…

>THE ONLY sports governing body that has figured this out (for sports I like, anyway), is F1.

Unless you live in Australia, where F1TV gives you live timing and not much else. Foxtel seem to have F1 locked up here - the cheapest option I have is Kayo (an affiliated streaming service) for $25/mth.