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Re: DuckDuckGo removed the ability to filter search results

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Post by porkbeer »

yegg wrote: post #314

Hi all, Founder/CEO DuckDuckGo here and I hope I can help clear this up. Search syntax filters are still available on DuckDuckGo and we’ve re-updated the help page to reflect that. Nothing has actually recently changed with the way they work in terms of removing any functionality. In fact, we actually recently added functionality to make site exclusion work better as described in https://duckduckgo.com/updates What d…

You ignore quotes. You ignore -modifiers Your search is near useless these days and after evangelizing, I now tell people to avoid ddg.

Re: DuckDuckGo removed the ability to filter search results

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Post by elforce002 »

ReadCarlBarks wrote: post #316
elforce002 wrote: post #266

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I don't see anything like that using this feature.

I'm talking about https://search.brave.com/goggles/discover You need to check out the guide on how to create a new Goggle.

Nice. Thanks!

Re: DuckDuckGo removed the ability to filter search results

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Post by palata »

user3939382 wrote: post #325
palata wrote: post #68

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I guess you can't have it all. Either you are the product, or you pay for it.

I'm willing to pay but not $25/month.

Well if you wanted to support the idea of paying for your product, you could totally decide to limit Kagi to 10$/month, and switching back to a free (as in "you are the product") alternative when your credit is finished.

Now I'm expecting you to potentially say "I would pay 10$, but I refuse to have to go through the trouble of changing my default search engine twice a month", which brings me an idea:

Actually Kagi should maybe offer that option: after you're done with your monthly credit, they redirect everything to the free engine of your choice. That would provide an easy way for people to support them with the amount they are willing to pay, without having to change anything in their setup.

EDIT: already suggested: https://kagifeedback.org/d/512-automatically-redirect-search...

Re: DuckDuckGo removed the ability to filter search results

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Post by palata »

freediver wrote: post #210
palata wrote: post #207

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I agree with the anxiety, that's also something I hate with clouds (AWS and similar). Though for Kagi it's counting my searches, so it's not like a bot on the other side of the world will raise my bill. For all of those, I would like to be able to set an upper limit. Like "cut my service for the rest of the month if it costs more than X".

You can do that with Kagi, there is both a soft limit and hard limit you can set. Although we would like to go towards the future with no limits as soon as economics allow it.

Actually I just saw this suggestion which I think is very nice: https://kagifeedback.org/d/512-automatically-redirect-search...

The idea would be that people can set a hard limit after which Kagi would redirect everything to a fallback of their choice. If my limit is set to 10$ and I reach it by the 21st of the month, then all my searches will automatically go to e.g. DuckDuckGo until the next month.

Wouldn't that make sense?

Re: DuckDuckGo removed the ability to filter search results

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Post by tlavoie »

yegg wrote: post #314

Hi all, Founder/CEO DuckDuckGo here and I hope I can help clear this up. Search syntax filters are still available on DuckDuckGo and we’ve re-updated the help page to reflect that. Nothing has actually recently changed with the way they work in terms of removing any functionality. In fact, we actually recently added functionality to make site exclusion work better as described in https://duckduckgo.com/updates What d…

The site exclusion very much does _not_ work for images, just FYI.

For example, and especially since Pinterest is mentioned in your help page, I tried the following in the image search: the far side gallery -site:pinterest

It is a good example, because Pinterest in particular, with all its TLDs, seems to really excessively pollute search results. Changing it up to -site:pinterest.com does catch those, but still not all the other TLDs, so I guess it would be a case of whack-a-mole for the rest.

Re: DuckDuckGo removed the ability to filter search results

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Post by AnthonyMouse »

midoridensha wrote: post #93
AnthonyMouse wrote: post #81

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This isn't because they don't want advice, it's because there isn't enough competition for the advice to be useful. It's not like Google spies on you and Microsoft doesn't. It doesn't really matter to them whether the Windows PC they buy is from Dell or Lenovo and they don't want to hear how to build one out of parts from Newegg and install Linux on it if it can't play the games they want to play. Companies are then…

There is competition, sometimes far better competition, but people don't want it. Laser printers are the big example here IMO: people spend a fortune on inkjet ink, but try to get them to buy a laser printer and they'll refuse because the up-front cost is higher, even though the long-term cost is much, much lower for most users.

Certainly if you print thousands of pages it is. If you only print something once a month it's not. But most of the people printing thousands of pages will quickly notice this when they're paying unreasonable sums for gallons of ink sold by the thimble.

Then you have the people at the margin, who would be better off with a laser printer, but only by something like tens of dollars a year. At which point the opportunity cost of the time to evaluate whether they would actually be saving money is on par with the money they would be saving.

Whereas if there was actually more competition, someone would be selling a cheap printer that takes cheap cartridges instead of your options being a cheap printer with expensive cartridges or an expensive printer with cheap cartridges.

Re: DuckDuckGo removed the ability to filter search results

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Post by midoridensha »

AnthonyMouse wrote: post #336
midoridensha wrote: post #93

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There is competition, sometimes far better competition, but people don't want it. Laser printers are the big example here IMO: people spend a fortune on inkjet ink, but try to get them to buy a laser printer and they'll refuse because the up-front cost is higher, even though the long-term cost is much, much lower for most users.

Certainly if you print thousands of pages it is. If you only print something once a month it's not. But most of the people printing thousands of pages will quickly notice this when they're paying unreasonable sums for gallons of ink sold by the thimble. Then you have the people at the margin, who would be better off with a laser printer, but only by something like tens of dollars a year. At which point the opportunit…

No, printing once a month is FAR more expensive for inkjets, because you have to replace the ink cartridges every time you print, because the print heads dry out and get clogged. That doesn't happen with lasers.

Re: DuckDuckGo removed the ability to filter search results

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Post by AnthonyMouse »

midoridensha wrote: post #337
AnthonyMouse wrote: post #336

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Certainly if you print thousands of pages it is. If you only print something once a month it's not. But most of the people printing thousands of pages will quickly notice this when they're paying unreasonable sums for gallons of ink sold by the thimble. Then you have the people at the margin, who would be better off with a laser printer, but only by something like tens of dollars a year. At which point the opportunit…

No, printing once a month is FAR more expensive for inkjets, because you have to replace the ink cartridges every time you print, because the print heads dry out and get clogged. That doesn't happen with lasers.

If that was the case then it would be another thing people would notice, having to replace the ink cartridge every time they use the printer.

Unless they live in a place with the right level of humidity where once a month is exactly the right interval to print so they don't dry out. Or they print once a week, but still not enough pages to justify a more expensive printer. Or they print once a year, so replacing the ink cartridge every year is still cheaper than buying the more expensive printer.

Or they have no savings and only have access to high interest credit, so the interest on the price difference between the printers actually is more than the cost of buying an ink cartridge every month.

Sometimes people aren't as dumb as you might think.

Re: DuckDuckGo removed the ability to filter search results

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Post by midoridensha »

AnthonyMouse wrote: post #338
midoridensha wrote: post #337

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No, printing once a month is FAR more expensive for inkjets, because you have to replace the ink cartridges every time you print, because the print heads dry out and get clogged. That doesn't happen with lasers.

If that was the case then it would be another thing people would notice, having to replace the ink cartridge every time they use the printer. Unless they live in a place with the right level of humidity where once a month is exactly the right interval to print so they don't dry out. Or they print once a week, but still not enough pages to justify a more expensive printer. Or they print once a year, so replacing the i…

>Sometimes people aren't as dumb as you might think.

Usually, they are.

>Or they print once a year, so replacing the ink cartridge every year is still cheaper than buying the more expensive printer.

Such as here. Doing this is stupid, because buying a new printer is cheaper than buying a set of cartridges for the same printer.

>Or they have no savings and only have access to high interest credit,

Or here, because they couldn't manage money and earned themselves a bad credit score.

>so the interest on the price difference between the printers actually is more than the cost of buying an ink cartridge every month.

If you have credit that bad, you don't need a printer at all. Plus, you can get a B&W laser for $100; less than the cost of an inkjet + a set of cartridges.

Sorry, but every way I look at it, inkjets are nothing more than a scam designed to prey on people who aren't good at long-term thinking or money management.

Re: DuckDuckGo removed the ability to filter search results

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Post by croutonwagon »

freediver wrote: post #75
user3939382 wrote: post #32

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I've been a big advocate of them, but they broke their promise to grandfather in users on original plans, they doubled their prices, and have everyone counting the number of searches they make. Until they get a reasonable unlimited price plan I wouldn't use them.

As the founder of Kagi, I want to address the recent changes and challenges we have faced. When we made our initial plans, we believed they were both realistic and sustainable. However, the search market has experienced dramatic changes in the past six months, far more than in the previous 16 years. Additionally, we've been confronted with an economic downturn. As a small, bootstrapped business, Kagi has had to make…

Based on this thread I signed up for Kagi and migrated my devices to it a couple days ago.

I’m one that’s ardently against subscription culture in most cases but I have to say im quite impressed.

Im currently on the $10 plan. Not sure if im gonna moved to the unlimited but im definately on pace to hit my limit this month. I never realized how much I search. I do wish the 10 dollar plan had annual options. Even without a discount.

I’ve used ddg for a long time. But even still haven’t been a huge fan of changes and I am one that’s happy to support a project in any way that I can get behind and gain something from from. Either via contribution or in a case like this cash.

I hope you all find a path to sustainability.

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