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Bed Bath and Beyond files for bankruptcy

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My favorite of the moment is 'gluten free'. Seen on things that physically cannot have gluten in them, unless it's contaminated somehow.

I've seen "vegan" dishwasher soap, too.

In some contexts, vegan and cruelty free blend together; they probably were trying to signal that they do no animal testing while making the product.

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Everything has been fundamentally detached from reality, from stocks to housing. Houses can sit empty without tenants for years but they’ll only go up. Companies can be unprofitable for literal decades but they’ll keep finding funding and buyers. Commercial properties can bleed tenant but the prices will only be up. In a world of shrinking growth , stalling productivity, and dying demographics, the market behaves lik…

Is the market acting like infinite growth is baked in, or is inflation simply out of control? And I’m not talking about CPI over the last three years. Stocks have been insane over the last decade. Real estate has been insane over the last decade. Neither of which is measured by CPI. So yea… the market is pricing things like the Fed will keep printing money to prop up assets it explicitly ignores in its inflation calc…

The market kinda does have infinite growth baked in. To oversimplify more than a bit: The petrodollar system kind of ensures we export dollars to all countries who need to buy energy on the global market (not all, but a lot). That means the monetary supply has to go up or energy prices will skyrocket. So dollars are printed and the fed + treasury target a growth rate of 2%. Obv things are messed up right now, but that is how the system is designed. Infinite growth at 2% inflation per year.

E: To be clear I'm not claiming this is sustainable, only how the system is designed.

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Yesterday was the last day to use the coupons. They officially enter bankruptcy today.

Sona (Conan) is going to miss them. Sorry in advance for the niche reference.

I feel like the Venn diagram of HN users and Conan podcast listeners is nearly overlapping circles. :)

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I find the whole situation fascinating. Bed Bath continued to sell hundreds of millions of shares while they were preparing for bankruptcy and retail investors (or meme stock investors) continued to buy them. I assume Bed Bath did all the paperwork that is necessary (like calling out risks, that the raised capital will go to creditors first, etc) for such a stock sale. But it is clear they were doing it out of bad-fa…

The whole stock market in 2023 makes no sense to me, not just Bed Bath and Beyond. So many companies no longer pay dividends. So many classes of stock are now non-voting shares. Common stock shareholders usually get nothing if a company goes bankrupt and liquidates. So if I don't get dividends, can't vote, and am not entitled to a share of the company's assets, what is the actual value in owning stock? Do I just wait…

>So if I don't get dividends, can't vote, and am not entitled to a share of the company's assets, what is the actual value in owning stock? Do I just wait for the share price to go up, sell at the peak, and pass my shares on to the greater fool? That's starting to smell a lot like the worst sort of crypto trading.

If they aren't paying dividends (but are profitable), then profits are either going to the balance sheet or into capital and you literally own those things.

It's also difficult to grasp, but share buybacks have the same net effect as dividends (they primarily exist for tax efficiency).

Oracle is a great example here. They have cut their number of share in half [0] over the past decade, while paying a relatively paltry 1.6% dividend yield. So sure, you're not swimming in cash as an owner, but many investors don't want that, they'll gladly take the effective doubling of their ownership of the balance sheet that they've been given instead.

[0]https://www.macrotrends.net/stocks/charts/ORCL/oracle/shares....

Re: Bed Bath and Beyond files for bankruptcy

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I have no great love for BBB, but they saved me countless times when I was looking for last-minute gift ideas. The store closest to me was always packed, and prices were just enough higher than other stores that I figured they were making bank. As the #1 place people think of for just about anything domestic, I don't know how they could be mismanaged so badly that the whole chain goes under?! On the flip side, they r…

> 19 Kids and Counting Reality TV aside, U.S family size hit an all-time low (3.13) in 2003, and has stayed there since. And the birth rate has failed to attain replacement since the early 70s.

> U.S family size hit an all-time low (3.13) in 2003

Do you have a reference for this? Would love to see what the metric is based on (e.g. does it assume two parents, meaning 1.13 children).

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Are you sure about this? I believe you would prefer a share value increase of $1 instead of a dividend of $1, as you are taxed on dividends as income (income tax) but stock appreciation is capital gains (lower tax than income tax). This is in the context of American taxes.

"Qualified dividends" are taxed the same as capital gains. To be qualified mostly depends on a minimum holding time, 60 days for common stock. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qualified_dividend

You pay tax on the cash now, you choose when to pay tax on the share price increase.

Money has time value.

Re: Bed Bath and Beyond files for bankruptcy

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I find the whole situation fascinating. Bed Bath continued to sell hundreds of millions of shares while they were preparing for bankruptcy and retail investors (or meme stock investors) continued to buy them. I assume Bed Bath did all the paperwork that is necessary (like calling out risks, that the raised capital will go to creditors first, etc) for such a stock sale. But it is clear they were doing it out of bad-fa…

Bed Bath continued to sell hundreds of millions of shares while they were preparing for bankruptcy and retail investors (or meme stock investors) continued to buy them.

That is how markets work. Buyer must match seller. Meme stock investors are only a small % of buyers. Others are funds.

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I find the whole situation fascinating. Bed Bath continued to sell hundreds of millions of shares while they were preparing for bankruptcy and retail investors (or meme stock investors) continued to buy them. I assume Bed Bath did all the paperwork that is necessary (like calling out risks, that the raised capital will go to creditors first, etc) for such a stock sale. But it is clear they were doing it out of bad-fa…

> As usual Matt Levine's take on this is a good read.

Link?

Re: Bed Bath and Beyond files for bankruptcy

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I find the whole situation fascinating. Bed Bath continued to sell hundreds of millions of shares while they were preparing for bankruptcy and retail investors (or meme stock investors) continued to buy them. I assume Bed Bath did all the paperwork that is necessary (like calling out risks, that the raised capital will go to creditors first, etc) for such a stock sale. But it is clear they were doing it out of bad-fa…

The confusing thing is that they waited until the stock was under a dollar to do an offering. Had they done at $20 just like 6 months ago they probably could have paid their debts.

Re: Bed Bath and Beyond files for bankruptcy

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What's Matt Levine's take?

He's covered the decline of BBBY many times in his newsletter, explaining the financial details and shaking his head each time. His Monday April 24th, 2023 newsletter, titled "Bed Bath Moves Beyond", covers the situation once again. It ends: "Bed Bath saw that its retail shareholders wanted to throw their money away, and that its sophisticated lenders wanted to get their money back, and realized that there was a trad…

Could you link it, instead of just quoting it?
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