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The EU suppressed a 300-page study that found piracy doesn’t harm sales (2017)

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Re: The EU suppressed a 300-page study that found piracy doesn’t harm sales (2017)

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Post by 8jef »

Let's say IP such and such is protected by copyright, which is bound to restrict piracy, which can be defined as enjoyment and/or distribution of copyrighted IP without retribution to rightful ownership. This is all fine when you have some control over distribution, which is not the case anymore, mainly because torrent protocole.

IP rightful owners went the easy way, weaponizing willfully abiding legal systems and what not (paid with our taxes), while dealing directly with large IP distribution platforms, before launching their own distribution platforms. This is where we're at. Big deal. Torrents are still a thing, as much as sharing on other protocoles, through territories outside the rule of law, but not only.

How about trying something else? How about putting up a realistic price on IP, so anyone willing to pay (and get a receipt for it) could enjoy and distribute IP legally, no matter how and from where they got said IP in the first place? How about a price per head per event (phe fare?), a price that is affordable enough for anyone to compete any big corporations? Even with some temporal and/or geographical restrictions, I'd gladly pay, if that means I can legally enjoy and share stuff outside platform limitations. How about I open my own repertoire theater and show any movie I want, or start my own niche platform? Suits, please, think about it. If it's simple and affordable enough, people will gladly use it.

Re: The EU suppressed a 300-page study that found piracy doesn’t harm sales (2017)

#92

Post by sylvain_kerkour »

The best way I have found to prevent the piracy of my book (https://kerkour.com/black-hat-rust) is to inundate pirate platforms with only the first chapter and with a discount code inside for those who can't afford the original price.

My hypothesis is that if they enjoyed the first chapter, most people would want to support my work instead of being freeriders.

So far it worked really well.

Thinking that you can prevent bits flowing from internet is delusional, it's better to think about how to align incentives.

Re: The EU suppressed a 300-page study that found piracy doesn’t harm sales (2017)

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Post by Entinel »

matheusmoreira wrote: post #87
tivert wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Even 10 years is too generous. I'd rather make it 0 instead. I said 10 years because it's what would make copyright tolerable. The right thing as far as I'm concerned is abolishing it straight up. 10 years is a reasonable compromise. That's not a reasonable compromise. Your proposal of 0 years in a nonstarter, and walking slightly back from that is still a nonstarter. It's pretty clear your prioritizing only your o…

> That's not a reasonable compromise. Your proposal of 0 years in a nonstarter, and walking slightly back from that is still a nonstarter. On the contrary. Copyright itself is a non-starter. Remember, public domain is the natural state of information. They're the ones who need to convince us to respect whatever social contract they seek to impose. They are doing such a horrible job at it that it can be argued that co…

> On the contrary. Copyright itself is a non-starter.

Clearly it is given that we are currently living with it.

Re: The EU suppressed a 300-page study that found piracy doesn’t harm sales (2017)

#94

Post by falcolas »

matheusmoreira wrote: post #65
onepointsixC wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Would you be pleased if that applied to all of your work too? That immediately anyone can start taking your work and making money off of it? Copyright at least makes big players pay the original creators for the rights to the works. Netflix going ahead and making money off of subscribers while paying nothing to creators would be a significantly worse situation.

> Would you be pleased if that applied to all of your work too? That immediately anyone can start taking your work and making money off of it? Sure. From now on I either release my software as AGPLv3 or I don't release it at all. Truth is even if someone violates my license I'm not gonna waste my limited time on this earth litigating against them in court over it. I have better things to do. Stallman would disagree b…

> From now on I either release my software as AGPLv3

Why not just make it public domain? That's the default in a world without the right of ownership of code.

> Oops, looks like it's our code now.

How would you make money of it? It's not like you can sell it.

> Were it not for copyright, we'd all be using peer to peer technology invented decades ago to consume content much more efficiently

What content? How would it be paid for, since there's nothing that could be sold?

Even hobby movies are done to make money.

Re: The EU suppressed a 300-page study that found piracy doesn’t harm sales (2017)

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Post by paulddraper »

matheusmoreira wrote: post #49
Entinel wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I disagree with your disagreement. 10 years is too short, 70 years is too long. There should definitely be a reduction but 10 years isn't it.

Even 10 years is too generous. I'd rather make it 0 instead. I said 10 years because it's what would make copyright tolerable . The right thing as far as I'm concerned is abolishing it straight up. 10 years is a reasonable compromise. Remember, copyright exists at all because we allow it. The raw reality these monopolists face is that public domain is the default state of all information. We're all just pretending th…

> Remember, copyright exists at all because we allow it.

Yes?

Re: The EU suppressed a 300-page study that found piracy doesn’t harm sales (2017)

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Post by falcolas »

matheusmoreira wrote: post #87
tivert wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Even 10 years is too generous. I'd rather make it 0 instead. I said 10 years because it's what would make copyright tolerable. The right thing as far as I'm concerned is abolishing it straight up. 10 years is a reasonable compromise. That's not a reasonable compromise. Your proposal of 0 years in a nonstarter, and walking slightly back from that is still a nonstarter. It's pretty clear your prioritizing only your o…

> That's not a reasonable compromise. Your proposal of 0 years in a nonstarter, and walking slightly back from that is still a nonstarter. On the contrary. Copyright itself is a non-starter. Remember, public domain is the natural state of information. They're the ones who need to convince us to respect whatever social contract they seek to impose. They are doing such a horrible job at it that it can be argued that co…

> Remember, public domain is the natural state of information.

Nah, decaying is the natural state of information. It requires non-trivial effort to keep information available for reading and interpreting. Even paper, one of the best mediums for storing data over time, decomposes if not actively protected.

Re: The EU suppressed a 300-page study that found piracy doesn’t harm sales (2017)

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Post by falcolas »

ilyt wrote: post #25
_fizz_buzz_ wrote: post #10

Look, I like free stuff as much as the next guy, but I don't buy (no pun intended) the results of this study: https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2021/06/15/us-recorded-musi...

Can't put CD into your phone; but you can put MP3 on it. As Gaben said, "piracy is a service problem". Look at years; that's when portable music players; then smartphones; started to become popular Pirating is easier than buying CD then ripping MP3 just to listen. If we had the ease of use of today's music streaming the dip would probably be much lower; but between the tech at the time and RIAA cockblocking anyone th…

> Pirating is easier than buying CD then ripping MP3 just to listen.

Really? I've never thought so. Perhaps if you consider buying the CD as a major burden, which I don't get.

Put CD in computer. Rip at your choice of bitrate. Listen.

vs.

Download pirating software. Search for song. Download song. Verify it's not a trojan for an executable or zip bomb, etc. Verify you got the full songs. Verify you got the actual songs you were looking for. Verify that it's not a low quality rip. Listen.

Anyway, that's my opinion on this matter.

Re: The EU suppressed a 300-page study that found piracy doesn’t harm sales (2017)

#98

Post by bee_rider »

AlecSchueler wrote: post #33
bee_rider wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is not extremely misleading. Most movies are not major blockbuster films, and no games are.

Somewhat misleading then?

Seems so.

I also wonder to what degree the study was actually suppressed. I mean, it sounds pretty scandalous to say it was suppressed, but also a non-result is not super interesting. Maybe they just didn’t trumped it.

Re: The EU suppressed a 300-page study that found piracy doesn’t harm sales (2017)

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Post by mrguyorama »

falcolas wrote: post #97
ilyt wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can't put CD into your phone; but you can put MP3 on it. As Gaben said, "piracy is a service problem". Look at years; that's when portable music players; then smartphones; started to become popular Pirating is easier than buying CD then ripping MP3 just to listen. If we had the ease of use of today's music streaming the dip would probably be much lower; but between the tech at the time and RIAA cockblocking anyone th…

> Pirating is easier than buying CD then ripping MP3 just to listen. Really? I've never thought so. Perhaps if you consider buying the CD as a major burden, which I don't get. Put CD in computer. Rip at your choice of bitrate. Listen. vs. Download pirating software. Search for song. Download song. Verify it's not a trojan for an executable or zip bomb, etc. Verify you got the full songs. Verify you got the actual son…

How many people actually have CD drives anymore?

Re: The EU suppressed a 300-page study that found piracy doesn’t harm sales (2017)

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Post by FalconSensei »

endisneigh wrote: post #67

To be honest I’ve never understood why people believe they’re entitled other people’s work for free. Perhaps someone can clarify?

Perhaps (and I'm just assuming), you were never too poor, without a library to access any kind of media and decent internet/computer to watch something on streaming?
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