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The EU suppressed a 300-page study that found piracy doesn’t harm sales (2017)

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Re: The EU suppressed a 300-page study that found piracy doesn’t harm sales (2017)

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I have a Netflix account and I still torrent the content because unless I use edge I don’t get greater than 720p. I torrent a lot of games because 2 hours (steam refund) is a very narrow window for a lot of games. The reality is 90% of them I don’t end up meshing with. The ones that I do, I buy.

Netflix streams in 4k but you have to pay $4 extra for premium or whatever.

Re: The EU suppressed a 300-page study that found piracy doesn’t harm sales (2017)

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The best way to reduce piracy of copyrighted works is to cut the copyright period by 75% relative to current standards. To be fair to individual living authors who hold their own copyrights, this would mean copyrights persisted 18 years past the author's death, or for 24 years after date of publication for for-hire contract jobs. This is comparable to the lifetime of technical patents, and so would allow for a reason…

why would you want to reduce piracy?

Re: The EU suppressed a 300-page study that found piracy doesn’t harm sales (2017)

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The best way to reduce piracy of copyrighted works is to cut the copyright period by 75% relative to current standards. To be fair to individual living authors who hold their own copyrights, this would mean copyrights persisted 18 years past the author's death, or for 24 years after date of publication for for-hire contract jobs. This is comparable to the lifetime of technical patents, and so would allow for a reason…

The other 'best way' to reduce piracy would be to sell all electronic works through the same online interface without the need for any other apps or DRM. Otherwise, the pirated product is actually better than the paid one.

Having a single online interface means that people will fight to control it (and it's not partition tolerant). Better to go content-addressed and let people move bits around in whatever way suits their use case. Then, separately from delivery, have player plugins which compare hashes of the content to an online database to decide who ought to get paid for the bits I've consumed. It's the player, after all, which knows how my attention was allocated, not the downloader.

Re: The EU suppressed a 300-page study that found piracy doesn’t harm sales (2017)

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post #41

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> It's entirely ridiculous, for example, that a 1957 film like the Seventh Seal isn't yet in the public domain. That's way too generous. It's ridiculous that films made before 2010 aren't in the public domain. We're all going to be long dead before this stuff enters the public domain. Our culture should belong to us, not a bunch of corporations. If they want to keep making money, they should have to make new stuff in…

I disagree with your disagreement. 10 years is too short, 70 years is too long. There should definitely be a reduction but 10 years isn't it.

The problem with copyright is that it was defined by politicians and lobbyists. Since this is about our culture, which concerns everyone, perhaps a national poll is in order where people can vote for a period between e.g. the two extremes 10 and 70 years.

Re: The EU suppressed a 300-page study that found piracy doesn’t harm sales (2017)

#55

I’ve worked to prevent piracy of a SaaS software for a niche industry. When we put the first anti piracy solution in place during the winter of 2020 they tripled the number of subscribers within a week. Some might argue this was due to Covid lockdowns but this was months after most businesses had already been locked down and the timing directly coincided with the implementation. Support was inundated with requests to…

Niche industry I'm not surprised. The cost per seat is generally quite high and thus a strong incentive for businesses to use more seats than they have licenses for.

Re: The EU suppressed a 300-page study that found piracy doesn’t harm sales (2017)

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post #41

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I disagree with your disagreement. 10 years is too short, 70 years is too long. There should definitely be a reduction but 10 years isn't it.

Even 10 years is too generous. I'd rather make it 0 instead. I said 10 years because it's what would make copyright tolerable . The right thing as far as I'm concerned is abolishing it straight up. 10 years is a reasonable compromise. Remember, copyright exists at all because we allow it. The raw reality these monopolists face is that public domain is the default state of all information. We're all just pretending th…

Would you be pleased if that applied to all of your work too? That immediately anyone can start taking your work and making money off of it?

Copyright at least makes big players pay the original creators for the rights to the works. Netflix going ahead and making money off of subscribers while paying nothing to creators would be a significantly worse situation.

Re: The EU suppressed a 300-page study that found piracy doesn’t harm sales (2017)

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post #23

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It is not extremely misleading. Most movies are not major blockbuster films, and no games are.

Of course it is - the title says "Piracy Doesn’t Harm Sales", and most sales aka revenue comes from blockbusters. Global box office in 2019 was $42B[1], and the top 10 highest grossing movies alone accounted for $13B[2]. [1] https://www.statista.com/statistics/271856/global-box-office... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_in_film

If losing some small portion of their tens of billions to piracy actually helps hundreds of smaller producers to somewhat level the grossly inequitable playing field, then I think the title is fair.

If hundreds or thousands of smaller businesses are allowed to flourish or even survive, thanks to the higher sales due to piracy leveling the playing field a bit, then it would be kinda wild to suggest that "piracy harms sales", as if only Disney matters.

Btw, 10 out of those top 10 films you cite for 2019 were sequels or remakes. All of them came from huge established megacorps - 7 Disney, 2 Sony, 1 WB. My sympathy for them could dance on the head of a pin.

Re: The EU suppressed a 300-page study that found piracy doesn’t harm sales (2017)

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post #31

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I completely agree with you, but I think the issue with something like this is the sheer volume of lobbying power that companies like Nintendo and Disney have to stop it.

What can be done about that?

Make more individuals care, outside of just people on HN and such.

Re: The EU suppressed a 300-page study that found piracy doesn’t harm sales (2017)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It's entirely ridiculous, for example, that a 1957 film like the Seventh Seal isn't yet in the public domain. That's way too generous. It's ridiculous that films made before 2010 aren't in the public domain. We're all going to be long dead before this stuff enters the public domain. Our culture should belong to us, not a bunch of corporations. If they want to keep making money, they should have to make new stuff in…

It's sort of humorous that "rule against perpetuities" is a fundamental legal concept [1] [2] but copyright just sidesteps that and allows for locking up culture for almost two centuries. [1] https://youtu.be/j1jkilao3MQ?t=903 [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rule_against_perpetuities

That's interesting. Have there been attempts to litigate copyrights based on that precedent?

Re: The EU suppressed a 300-page study that found piracy doesn’t harm sales (2017)

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post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I completely agree with you, but I think the issue with something like this is the sheer volume of lobbying power that companies like Nintendo and Disney have to stop it.

What can be done about that?

Ban lobbying and think tanks
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