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Shell admits 1.5C climate goal means immediate end to fossil fuel growth

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Re: Shell admits 1.5C climate goal means immediate end to fossil fuel growth

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I’m not sure what’s the point of focusing on 1.5C anymore. I think the writing on the wall is pretty clear that we’re going to double that at least. Barring any miracle in carbon sequestration technology anyway. I hope we get a miracle.

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Yes it did, and sea levels have risen too: https://www.climate.gov/news-features/understanding-climate/...

Note that since we are not about to stop carbon emission in the near future, the ice melt and sea level rise would increase well into the future

Re: Shell admits 1.5C climate goal means immediate end to fossil fuel growth

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Does anyone have recommendations for good reading on this subject? What this means for combustion engines as a whole? I am trying to imagine where the push for clean energy will lead. I am fully on team green but I think the switch happened too late. I feel like there is a future where you have a large percent of the population (at least in the US) where EVs are too expensive to afford the monthly payment/up front payment to switch but gas prices rise to a point where they can't afford to fill their tank anymore either. People will always say "just use public transit" but most cities in the US have a barely managing system if they even have one.

Re: Shell admits 1.5C climate goal means immediate end to fossil fuel growth

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I’m not sure what’s the point of focusing on 1.5C anymore. I think the writing on the wall is pretty clear that we’re going to double that at least. Barring any miracle in carbon sequestration technology anyway. I hope we get a miracle.

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Some did.

Re: Shell admits 1.5C climate goal means immediate end to fossil fuel growth

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I’m not sure what’s the point of focusing on 1.5C anymore. I think the writing on the wall is pretty clear that we’re going to double that at least. Barring any miracle in carbon sequestration technology anyway. I hope we get a miracle.

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I’m not sure if you’re serious or not, but… https://www.nbcnews.com/science/environment/devastating-melt...

Re: Shell admits 1.5C climate goal means immediate end to fossil fuel growth

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I’m not sure what’s the point of focusing on 1.5C anymore. I think the writing on the wall is pretty clear that we’re going to double that at least. Barring any miracle in carbon sequestration technology anyway. I hope we get a miracle.

Our kids, who will shoulder far more of the effects of this than us, didn't get to choose this. This is their inheritance, generations of neglect for the environment and rampant profiteering culminating in a climate catastrophe.

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Re: Shell admits 1.5C climate goal means immediate end to fossil fuel growth

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I’m not sure what’s the point of focusing on 1.5C anymore. I think the writing on the wall is pretty clear that we’re going to double that at least. Barring any miracle in carbon sequestration technology anyway. I hope we get a miracle.

This is where I’m at too.

At least as far as I understand it today (leaving this comment in the hope that folks can help me expand my understanding)

Life on earth is not stable. We are in the final death throes of this planet. Roughly 75% of life on earth is behind us. Life has been here for 4Bn years and we have about 500m left[1] until our carbon cycles grind to a halt due to the earth moving outside of the habitable zone and all life on earth starts it’s final, and ultimate, extinction event.

This pending extinction event is not human made. It was coming regardless of whether humans evolved on this planet.

From everything I can tell, there is no making it through, let alone coming back from, this impending extinction event without “technology” that decouples life from the carbon cycles on this planet.

In 4.2bn years life on this planet has printed exactly one golden ticket for escaping that fate: humans.

We’ve done some bad things along the way to industrialization processes that can produce the technology necessary to get life off this rock - and to artificially sustain life on this rock as it becomes unsuitable for life.

But I’m not confident that the bad stuff we have done is sufficient to condemn our species and disqualify us as a suitable steward for this planet. Primarily because there is no alternative, there is no species in “second place” that I’d trust to evolve a civilization capable of getting life off this planet in the time we have left.

The eco-movements (outside of whole earth) have lost me. The calls for an immediate suspension of industrial processes, or the sentiment that life on earth would be better off if humans didn’t evolve to be what we are today, seems misplaced.

Without humans, and without our recent attempts to escape this planet, all life on earth is doomed to complete extinction.

It seems like we are in a critical several hundred year window where humans need to appreciate both that we are accelerating the end of the Holocene, a climate that was critical for the development of our civilizations, and do our best to slow that process already under way.

At the same time, we need to maintain the civilization that’s setting life on earth on an escape trajectory.

If we toss the baby with the bathwater we doom all life on earth to guaranteed extinction.

[1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_the_far_future

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Does anyone have recommendations for good reading on this subject? What this means for combustion engines as a whole? I am trying to imagine where the push for clean energy will lead. I am fully on team green but I think the switch happened too late. I feel like there is a future where you have a large percent of the population (at least in the US) where EVs are too expensive to afford the monthly payment/up front pa…

it's always possible to improve public transport, and it could happen fast if people would get their priorities straight; more options are car sharing and concentrating on more dense areas with walkable and cyclable infrastructure (keyword 15 minute cities).

something to watch instead of read: NotJustBikes

Re: Shell admits 1.5C climate goal means immediate end to fossil fuel growth

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Well, in theory it could have. And likewise, it sure seemed to lessen the impact of the entire unvaccinated population (aka, the entire population) getting really sick all at once. Even as it was, hospitals were screwed and millions died. Quarantines and lockdowns were imperfect, as were the results.

Something about the relationship between the perfect and the good.

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