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It's not only you, there's an explosion of ChatGPT on HN

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Re: It's not only you, there's an explosion of ChatGPT on HN

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Given how much money YC investors have in the GPT/AI/LLM space, I wouldn't expect it to slow down any time soon.

How is this possibly related?

Good question. GP is claiming that because ycombinator (YC) investors have put money into AI, we're going to see a lot of AI posts here for the foreseeable future. That's because YC companies use HN to promote their products.

Re: It's not only you, there's an explosion of ChatGPT on HN

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I know it's controversial during this incredible AI hype cycle on this site, but as a AI skeptic and increasingly neo-Luddite, I've reduced the amount I spend on this site by 90% since the start of the year. If only I could add my userscript on my iOS Firefox to just hide any post containing the words "GPT", "AI" or "LLM", but alas, I guess I will have to be productive instead of slacking off reading HN. I honestly m…

It does feel a bit like Bitcoin hype, in that I know there's something wrong with it but I can't quite put my finger on it or explain it. But this is why it's also likely to last a long time, just like Bitcoin did, because it's so enticing and yet so difficult to articulate exactly what it is that's wrong. I'm at that level where I'm just smart enough to know something is wrong here, but not smart enough to say what that is exactly.

I know that I can use ChatGPT for things where it doesn't matter much whether it contains factual inaccuracies. Where all I need is a lead, like the same things I would use Wikipedia for. Where the failure mode definitely doesn't lead to anyone being hurt (or fired). For work where the results matter to someone's career or health, yeah I would avoid it.

Re: It's not only you, there's an explosion of ChatGPT on HN

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I know it's controversial during this incredible AI hype cycle on this site, but as a AI skeptic and increasingly neo-Luddite, I've reduced the amount I spend on this site by 90% since the start of the year. If only I could add my userscript on my iOS Firefox to just hide any post containing the words "GPT", "AI" or "LLM", but alas, I guess I will have to be productive instead of slacking off reading HN. I honestly m…

I think the difference between those other hype cycles and this one is utility. I found Bitcoin very interesting (Erlang as well, still do) but not very practical in my day-to-day life. Unless I'm going to be hired by a firm that specializes in that tech, they're just not very useful. Nerdy and interesting and fun yes, but I just don't need them in my day-to-day life.

On the other hand ChatGPT 3.5 has become immediately useful today. It's already saved multiple hours of time doing nonsense work, or digging around for an answer to that one problem I have. It's succeeded when Stack Overflow, Google, Reddit, and the Official Documentation™ failed me.

That's incredible!!

And like a car I don't really have to know or care how it works (traditionally I didn't care at all about AI tech). Sure, it's a new skill (like driving) that takes some practice to do safely and effectively, but I don't have to know the details of how it works. Just how to use it.

That's why this hype cycle is different, that's why it's not going away. It's useful, and we are collectively figuring out how to use it effectively. We do that through collaboration and communication and HN is one of the key points where ideas are shared. To put a stop on that now would be insanely short sighted. The criticism, post-mortems, retrospectives and "AI is dead" articles will come in time.

Re: It's not only you, there's an explosion of ChatGPT on HN

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I see 3 kind of people, all common on HN: - The luddites: it's just hype. - The doomers: AI will kill us all. - The AI indie hackers: dunno about AI, I'm trying to make money with it. Somehow the intersection is right: AI is not really smart, but it will replace a lot of human activity anyhow.

> Somehow the intersection is right: AI is not really smart, but it will replace a lot of human activity anyhow. Which will really show how much busywork we humans do in a lot of areas. If -- before AI is "smart" -- it can impact humanity.. well, i feel it says more about our current society foundations than it does AI heh.

Microsoft is bringing OpenAI into Office 365. I predict no loss of employment in busywork, just a bigger output of boring reports per worker.

Re: It's not only you, there's an explosion of ChatGPT on HN

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I know it's controversial during this incredible AI hype cycle on this site, but as a AI skeptic and increasingly neo-Luddite, I've reduced the amount I spend on this site by 90% since the start of the year. If only I could add my userscript on my iOS Firefox to just hide any post containing the words "GPT", "AI" or "LLM", but alas, I guess I will have to be productive instead of slacking off reading HN. I honestly m…

It does feel a bit like Bitcoin hype, in that I know there's something wrong with it but I can't quite put my finger on it or explain it. But this is why it's also likely to last a long time, just like Bitcoin did, because it's so enticing and yet so difficult to articulate exactly what it is that's wrong. I'm at that level where I'm just smart enough to know something is wrong here, but not smart enough to say what…

I’m sure this is going to make you laugh and/or annoyed, but what about Bitcoin is exactly “wrong?” Curious if after all these years you’ve found the words.

Re: It's not only you, there's an explosion of ChatGPT on HN

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I know it's controversial during this incredible AI hype cycle on this site, but as a AI skeptic and increasingly neo-Luddite, I've reduced the amount I spend on this site by 90% since the start of the year. If only I could add my userscript on my iOS Firefox to just hide any post containing the words "GPT", "AI" or "LLM", but alas, I guess I will have to be productive instead of slacking off reading HN. I honestly m…

Bitcoin hype will return with the next cycle :)

Re: It's not only you, there's an explosion of ChatGPT on HN

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I left the machine hosting this small enough to see what posting to HN would do to it - rescaling it now :)

Ha ha ha, free load test. Don't forget to $$$cale it down, later :)

We're happy hosting it on Hetzner, so even if we forget it won't be that bad - it's a single CX51 server right now

Re: It's not only you, there's an explosion of ChatGPT on HN

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I know it's controversial during this incredible AI hype cycle on this site, but as a AI skeptic and increasingly neo-Luddite, I've reduced the amount I spend on this site by 90% since the start of the year. If only I could add my userscript on my iOS Firefox to just hide any post containing the words "GPT", "AI" or "LLM", but alas, I guess I will have to be productive instead of slacking off reading HN. I honestly m…

Here's some criticism of AI for you:

• VENDOR LOCKIN •

It's possible that OpenAI is managing to establish a permanent competitive edge and will be the next Google. There is/was a lot of rather handwavy assumptions about open source models being competitive thanks to Stability AI and the Facebook leak, and last time I raised red flags about this on HN I got dunked on. But right now it looks more likely that LLMs are the new search engines and there won't be any competitive implementations that are both legal and that you can run yourself. It'll be APIs all the way, just like with web search engines.

Also, embeddings are model/vendor specific and expensive to compute. If you calculate 10 million embeddings using OpenAI it's going to be expensive to recalculate them all with another vendor.

• UNCLEAR PRICING •

It seems likely that OpenAI is either selling at below cost, or is at best break-even on compute. It's very unclear right now if prices are going to rise, fall or remain where they are and in fact AI prices have done all these things in just a few months. That makes it difficult to know if it's an acceptable business risk to deeply incorporate AI into your workflow.

• HUMAN BOTTLENECKS •

A lot of AI use cases that sound initially compelling actually bottleneck on human review, because it's too risky to put AI output straight into production. Some people don't care hence the wave of amusing "As an AI language model" spam, but it shows what can go wrong if you skip reviews.

• FACTUALITY •

Obvious, but after having studied this more and listened to a talk by one of the OpenAI team I think this will actually go away as a problem in the semi-near term future.

• INTEGRATION COMPLEXITY •

The limited LLM context window size means a lot of tricky workarounds are required for many use cases, which increases implementation complexity.

• TESTING DIFFICULTY •

LLMs aren't deterministic, so it's a testing nightmare. You never know when the LLM will just do something unexpected that breaks your use case or integration.

• BUSINESS UNCERTAINTY •

There's genuinely a ton of potential, the tech deserves the hype. But it can be hard to capitalize because so many people are trying to do things all at once, so where do you go that you aren't immediately drowned in VC-flush competition? And many ideas may be more naturally done as features of existing products, so if the vendor isn't doing them, should you wait or should you try developing something yourself and risk obsolesence? The pricing uncertainty compounds that, of course.

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