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Re: A.I. imagery may destroy history as we know it

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Post by Zetobal » Tue, Apr 25, 2023, 2:52 PM UTC

tivert wrote: post #55

Zetobal wrote: post #20

I am tired reading shitty click bait articles from people that don't work in the field but believe they know what will destroy it. AI is tiresome not because of AI but because of attention grifters.

> I am tired reading shitty click bait articles from people that don't work in the field but believe they know what will destroy it. AI is tiresome not because of AI but because of attention grifters. I am tired of reading shitty, low effort comments complaining about people thinking about the implications of "AI." This article isn't click bait, unless you're under the mistaken impression that everything topical is c…

The guy was fascinated by a prompt of native americans and that's it there is nothing with merit behind this article. Your comment is also pretty much passive agressive low effort garbage.

Re: A.I. imagery may destroy history as we know it

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Post by masswerk » Tue, Apr 25, 2023, 2:52 PM UTC

VaiDeN wrote: post #5

Some people feel threatened by AI because it makes their skills or creations seem outdated, and they blame AI for their problems. They see AI as the enemy. It's hard for them to accept, but AI is here to stay. Eventually, they will have to come to terms with it. Once they let go of their pride and stop focusing on the wrong things, everyone will realize the incredible benefits AI can offer humanity. It's worrisome th…

I'd argue, their argument is that their skills will be now needed more than ever. But this isn't exactly about individual careers. It's more about identity (who are we, where do we come from, how do we know?) and the system embedding media (and its economies) as a whole. IMHO, bothering about such things isn't just unfortunate.

Re: A.I. imagery may destroy history as we know it

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Post by Zetobal » Tue, Apr 25, 2023, 2:55 PM UTC

masswerk wrote: post #46

Zetobal wrote: post #20

I am tired reading shitty click bait articles from people that don't work in the field but believe they know what will destroy it. AI is tiresome not because of AI but because of attention grifters.

> Shane Balkowitsch is a wet plate collodion photographer. (…) His life’s work is “Northern Plains Native Americans: A Modern Wet Plate Perspective” a journey to capture 1,000 Native Americans in the present day in the historic process. > Herbert Ascherman (b. 1947) is Cleveland, Ohio’s, most prominent portrait photographer. (…) Herb has a library of 2,385 books on photography. (…) Throughout his career, Herb has lec…

They are photographers and not historians.

Re: A.I. imagery may destroy history as we know it

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Post by [deleted] » Tue, Apr 25, 2023, 2:55 PM UTC

tivert wrote: post #60

fullshark wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Article is pretty thin though and seems to exist only to show off the fake Native American photographs.

> Article is pretty thin though and seems to exist only to show off the fake Native American photographs. So? Your comment does even less than that, and yet you still posted for us to read.

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Re: A.I. imagery may destroy history as we know it

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Post by masswerk » Tue, Apr 25, 2023, 3:02 PM UTC

Zetobal wrote: post #63

masswerk wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Shane Balkowitsch is a wet plate collodion photographer. (…) His life’s work is “Northern Plains Native Americans: A Modern Wet Plate Perspective” a journey to capture 1,000 Native Americans in the present day in the historic process. > Herbert Ascherman (b. 1947) is Cleveland, Ohio’s, most prominent portrait photographer. (…) Herb has a library of 2,385 books on photography. (…) Throughout his career, Herb has lec…

They are photographers and not historians.

Mind that this is about the public image. (They expressly state that it is not the historians, those with expertise in fine detail and congruence with out-of-frame context, who they are worried about. It just happens so that they have devoted their lives to capturing and archiving and communicating such images.)

Re: A.I. imagery may destroy history as we know it

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Post by jxy » Tue, Apr 25, 2023, 3:15 PM UTC

Well, just like

Printing press had destroyed history, religion, culture, literature, and etc.

Radio had destroyed music industry.

Cassette player had destroyed music industry the second time.

Internet had destroyed music industry the third time.

...

Re: A.I. imagery may destroy history as we know it

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Post by fullshark » Tue, Apr 25, 2023, 3:20 PM UTC

tivert wrote: post #60

fullshark wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Article is pretty thin though and seems to exist only to show off the fake Native American photographs.

> Article is pretty thin though and seems to exist only to show off the fake Native American photographs. So? Your comment does even less than that, and yet you still posted for us to read.

We are discussing whether the article has content or not, clickbait is a particular type of low information content on the internet which I think is an incorrect characterization of this article however I do agree it's low information, and basically the premise of the article was reverse engineered by a writer that thought "wow these photos are cool."

If you find my comments on the matter also low information, I can live with that.

Re: A.I. imagery may destroy history as we know it

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Post by Retr0id » Tue, Apr 25, 2023, 3:21 PM UTC

mmoskal wrote: post #23

peteradio wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How?

Digital signatures on photos, with each camera certificate signed by the manufacturer. Not sure why they don't do it at scale yet.

This is trivially broken by taking a picture of a high enough resolution screen, or printout.

Re: A.I. imagery may destroy history as we know it

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Post by ipaddr » Tue, Apr 25, 2023, 3:24 PM UTC

jxy wrote: post #66

Well, just like Printing press had destroyed history, religion, culture, literature, and etc. Radio had destroyed music industry. Cassette player had destroyed music industry the second time. Internet had destroyed music industry the third time. ...

Internet killed the video store.

Re: A.I. imagery may destroy history as we know it

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Post by mattlondon » Tue, Apr 25, 2023, 3:27 PM UTC

Meh - I don't know. At least in the UK, "History" classes at school were less about memorising the facts, and more about questioning the who, what, why of some source of information.

One thing that stands out in my memory is multiple different teachers always drilling into us: "never trust photos" (you don't always know who took them, for what reason, and if they were real or staged or whatever)

If 12 year old kids are being taught this, I don't think future historians will be fooled by a pretty photo. It is not like people have been unable to generate imagery of non-true stuff before - CGI in films (and also games for that matter) have been pretty close to 100% realistic for some time ... no one is complaining that future historians are going to confuse the scenes from The Matrix about what really happened in the 1990s. The barrier to entry is lower now of course, but I don't think that changes the position: you cant trust a photo.