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A.I. imagery may destroy history as we know it

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Re: A.I. imagery may destroy history as we know it

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Faking images to try and change history is as old as Stalin: https://www.history.com/news/josef-stalin-great-purge-photo-...

That's like comparing horse and carriage to a modern day truck though, no? This can be fully automated, generating photoreal content on its own. You couldn't airbrush a photo via a cron job like how you can now automate some model generating thousands of images of people rioting/looting for authoritarian purposes. Who will go through the effort of verifying every one of them? Other language models with precision issu…

> You couldn't airbrush a photo via a cron job like how you can now automate some model generating thousands of images of people rioting/looting for authoritarian purposes.

I get how this could be a problem, but it seems to me that it would only be marginally effective instead of exponentially as some assume. The reason I think this is because we already have this kind of thing going on without AI [1]. And while it does work, it's not clear to me if making the fake more realistic actually does anything for the kind of people who get worked up about this. If you want to claim Seattle is burning and it's not, just grab a picture of another place burning, and you're good. Narrative achieved.

If you can pass as authentic a photo from a different place taken at a different time, then what does it matter if you can generate a new one? Are you going to trick more people? Maybe. But I have a feeling the people who are most likely to get tricked, would have been tricked by far more mundane fraud.

[1] https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/fox-news...

Re: A.I. imagery may destroy history as we know it

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How?

Digital signatures on photos, with each camera certificate signed by the manufacturer. Not sure why they don't do it at scale yet.

And then comes Google Photos and applies a filter, goodbye signature (in this case, the phone's). Or I have an old-fashioned film camera... I guess this idea would work only with DSLRs, which aren't that popular anymore nowadays thus we won't solve that much of the original problem.

Re: A.I. imagery may destroy history as we know it

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No. History was never about a single artifact. Any item considered primary needs to be taken in context. What is the physical substrate used? Who was the author? What other items like it were produced? What other literature was written in the time? What were the social/political views at the time of the recording? What other artifacts corroborate this source? Etc.

What it will do is continue to provide fuel for confirmation bias. What we, as humans, will have to figure out from here on out is how define and deal with constructed information. Currently, the chaos being generated is too valuable to small, but significant, group of political activists; however, I suspect Gen Z will eventually have the power to require restrictions (a la food labels) and penalties for using unsubstantiated information.

The days of using the Internet as a general information source is coming to an end. There will be value in curated data sets again, like we used to have with Encyclopedias.

Re: A.I. imagery may destroy history as we know it

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

How?

Digital signatures on photos, with each camera certificate signed by the manufacturer. Not sure why they don't do it at scale yet.

Which solves what exactly?

A digital signature would basically be an EXIF that doesn't survive editing. If every photo shot in the past decade would have a certificate added by the camera, still none of the photos you see today would be signed, as they were either modified after the shot or are anyway older than a decade...

Re: A.I. imagery may destroy history as we know it

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This can be easily fixed by camera creators.

How?

First, develop cameras that timestamp and digitally sign all the photos they take.

Second, use your time machine to go back to 1800 and ensure all historical photographs are taken with such a camera.

Then when you see something that purports to be a historical photograph, you simply validate the signature and timestamp.

Re: A.I. imagery may destroy history as we know it

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You've begun the conversation, but what is the next step? You've identified that people feel threatened. Why do you think that is? It strikes me that pride is rarely a defensive response. What are the things they should be focusing on? In a system defined by one's ability to capitalize on one's individual importance, what less unfortunate mindset should be taken?

You've answered your own question: Change the system. If we get too good at automating jobs there should be a social safety net so we can all enjoy the fruits of AI.

I guess my attempts at leading the conversation where I wanted it to go were not as subtle as I had hoped.

I absolutely agree the system is in dire need of some attention. I think a lot of the reaction you see around this new iteration of technology comes from people who worry that that attention will not be given. People who suddenly feel as insecure as all the other people in history left behind by growing automation. It's less pride, and more fear. And I don't feel like it's unjustified fear, given our track record.

Re: A.I. imagery may destroy history as we know it

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AI imagery destroys our pre-conceived notions about the rigid nature of history. It enables us to question the concept of history as we’ve been taught.

> AI imagery destroys our pre-conceived notions about the rigid nature of history. It enables us to question the concept of history as we’ve been taught.

Say what now?

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