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Windows 11’s taskbar is finally getting labels and never combine app icons

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Re: Windows 11’s taskbar is finally getting labels and never combine app icons

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> - at the same time, desktop Linux distributions and macOS keep iterating and innovating without having that burden. Linux userland generally doesn't care a bit about backwards compatibility,... Well yeah, and we still don't see Linux on every corner (android excluded). Linux desktop is a joke. You can either pick DE whick breaks compatibility every now and then (Gnome, KDE, ...) or which has more or less stopped de…

The thing is, the Linux space at least has something nice and shiny to offer every now and then (although I'd say GTK and Gnome could go off and vanish and I wouldn't care). And it's not just UI where Linux keeps evolving. Just look at systemd - a fucking breeze to work with, whereas on macOS you're stuck working with plist's (annoying but OK), and on Windows it's literally the same crap from 30 years ago in the NT e…

Where do you get "five to ten minutes"? I have a win11 VM that boots from cold to login screen in 10-20 seconds.

Windows services can be configured with dependency order and with delayed start. There are startup profilers.

I've seen and resolved slow boot times in misconfigured domains and with features such as roaming profiles. It's probably DNS ;-)

Re: Windows 11’s taskbar is finally getting labels and never combine app icons

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Are there any active alternate shell packages for Windows? I used to run Blackbox4Windows or BBLean way back when. Very stale these days though.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_alternative_shells_f...

Re: Windows 11’s taskbar is finally getting labels and never combine app icons

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post #151

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The thing is, the Linux space at least has something nice and shiny to offer every now and then (although I'd say GTK and Gnome could go off and vanish and I wouldn't care). And it's not just UI where Linux keeps evolving. Just look at systemd - a fucking breeze to work with, whereas on macOS you're stuck working with plist's (annoying but OK), and on Windows it's literally the same crap from 30 years ago in the NT e…

Where do you get "five to ten minutes"? I have a win11 VM that boots from cold to login screen in 10-20 seconds. Windows services can be configured with dependency order and with delayed start. There are startup profilers. I've seen and resolved slow boot times in misconfigured domains and with features such as roaming profiles. It's probably DNS ;-)

> Where do you get "five to ten minutes"? I have a win11 VM that boots from cold to login screen in 10-20 seconds.

Sorry, forgot to mention I'm talking about Windows servers. Desktop indeed has gone quite fast.

Re: Windows 11’s taskbar is finally getting labels and never combine app icons

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Amazing, only 2 years to implement a feature you had already. What was so problematic about the Windows 10 taskbar that they had to completely scrap it and start from zero??

No one besides WinDev cares anylonger about WinRT/WinUI, so WinDev has starting to re-implement the Windows shell in WinUI to prove that they still care about WinRT and WinUI.

The 2 years delay shows how resource constrained the whole WinUI team is, and how far they are to reach feature parity with UWP, or raw Win32.

Plus the team behind Windows 10X had to do something (that is how Windows 11 came to be).

Re: Windows 11’s taskbar is finally getting labels and never combine app icons

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Or just have two Desktop Environments. One for the hoi polloi where the designers can go wild and the bean counters can push MSN "news", and one for Enterprise/Professionals that is more or less "Classic".

Only very rich corporations like FOSS community can simultaneously support two DEs (especially when one of them never changes too much). Microsoft has neither budget nor enough staff for that.

Sarcasm noted, however when looking at WinUI 3.0/WinAppSDK/... progress, one really wonders who's left.

Re: Windows 11’s taskbar is finally getting labels and never combine app icons

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> at the same time, desktop Linux distributions and macOS keep iterating and innovating without having that burden. That's a bit of a re-write of history. Mac OS tried to throw away all backwards compatibly on day one but major software vendors told them to pound sand so they had to spend another year building out Carbon. Not to mention that Mac OS X itself is built on NextSTEP. Linux breaks front-end compatibility s…

Did the first OS X release have great NeXTSTEP compatibility?

They did, via OPENSTEP,

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhapsody_(operating_system)

Re: Windows 11’s taskbar is finally getting labels and never combine app icons

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Amazing, only 2 years to implement a feature you had already. What was so problematic about the Windows 10 taskbar that they had to completely scrap it and start from zero??

Slow clap for windows 11 taskbar! Now…. When will they bring back the ability to park your taskbar vertically on the left hand side? Another 2 years?

Depends on how WinUI / WinAppSDK folks manage.

https://github.com/microsoft/microsoft-ui-xaml/issues

Re: Windows 11’s taskbar is finally getting labels and never combine app icons

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Microsoft is not what it used to be.. now unbloat all the stuff and remove useless services.. they are about to miss on the Handheld console revolution.. crazy when you think about it, they own windows yet they let it rot, just open source it at this point

"Azure OS" is what matters now, so outside server workloads for Azure, WinDev seems to be left with newly graduated interns without any background on the "Developers, Developers, Developers" days.

If you miss those days, XBox and Azure business lines are the ones that matter nowadays.

Re: Windows 11’s taskbar is finally getting labels and never combine app icons

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And how ubiquitous is MacOS compared to Windows? It isn't even close

Over the past decade, the U.S. MacOS market share has doubled from 15% to 30%, whereas Windows has dropped from 80% to 60% (according to statcounter)

I don't know where you got your numbers from but they don't appear to be correct. According to this, MacOS is around 16% while Windows is somewhere around 70%

https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/desktop/worldwide

Re: Windows 11’s taskbar is finally getting labels and never combine app icons

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Hold off Microsoft! I got my girlfriend to try Linux because she like the bar on the side.

Exactly my case two years ago. After while of using Fedora she said "I though linux is more different." She forgets on Win quickly and probably never go back.

I ended up picking Fedora too because I thought KDE Plasma and Fedora would be easy, stable, and up-to-date enough. There hasn't been much issue so far. I really wanted to go NixOS like I run to make it reproducible, but the casual user ergonomics would be too difficult. :(
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