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Re: Ask HN: Are You a Failure?

#21
If I do not find another job soon, it’s safe to say my career was a failure. Sad because it was the one thing that I was area of life I actually managed to get anything out of so far.

As for why, there’s too much to try and condense into a single HN comment, but my career started off on the wrong foot, and I was not really that “into” tech by the time I decided to make the jump from hobbyist to professional.

I would not say it was a net loss though, mostly because it didn’t cost me much and I did manage to snag some decent money finally by the end. No, the net loss is probably going to be in whatever I try to do next.

Re: Ask HN: Are You a Failure?

#22
Having a failed business or career != being a failure.

Every successful person has failed at something, until they succeeded. That's how it works.

The premise of this post is very shaky.

Re: Ask HN: Are You a Failure?

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I am 35, I live on welfare and I never had a real job, only worked as a freelancer (never earned much, just a few thousands). My portfolio used to be okay a few years ago, but I was never able to capitalize on it and my programming skills because I have an inferiority complex due to the fact I don't have a degree. Of course abusive family, etc didn't help and they brought financial problems. If you met me you wouldn'…

Have you thought about going back to college, at least part-time, to make yourself more employable in Italy?

Re: Ask HN: Are You a Failure?

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I don't need to post links. I've failed at everything I've ever done in my life, professional or otherwise. I'm broke as a result. This isn't hyperbole, and I'm sorry if it sounds melodramatic-I think the user handle should show my mentality, FWIW. There are a lot of reasons why, but the one that is relevant to this thread is not grasping the following: not realizing that people who stand out in life are so adept at…

I know what you mean because when my friend "failed", he spent a year working odd jobs, learning some Stock Market "stuff", and then decided to pursue a degree online and within less than a year he had a WFH job (a rarity at the time) lined up in his field. Meanwhile, in comparison I failed more and more, and am still struggling to this day. Unlike you I am not broke, but I have severe health anxiety, as well as a lo…

> Oddly enough my friends are successful people. PhD holders, Business Owners, and people working in very respectable fields. I just wish I was a little like them, but alas.

God I feel that. I’m not one to usually be spiteful or jealous or others success but it’s getting really hard to see everyone’s wins while it seems like my life is collapsing now.

Re: Ask HN: Are You a Failure?

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I'm in my 30s, and despite being a gifted kid, moving to a first world country, speaking 3 languages and making great pay as a senior eng, I still feel like a failure for: - Not having my own business - Not managing people at the moment or doing many leadership activities - Not having 7 figures networth - Being a homeowner, but still paying mortgage for the next 10 years - Not being yet an excellent communicator, and…

I've had this quote from George Orwell knocking around inside my head recently: "A man who gives a good account of himself is probably lying, since any life when viewed from the inside is simply a series of defeats."

Re: Ask HN: Are You a Failure?

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I know what you mean because when my friend "failed", he spent a year working odd jobs, learning some Stock Market "stuff", and then decided to pursue a degree online and within less than a year he had a WFH job (a rarity at the time) lined up in his field. Meanwhile, in comparison I failed more and more, and am still struggling to this day. Unlike you I am not broke, but I have severe health anxiety, as well as a lo…

> Oddly enough my friends are successful people. PhD holders, Business Owners, and people working in very respectable fields. I just wish I was a little like them, but alas. God I feel that. I’m not one to usually be spiteful or jealous or others success but it’s getting really hard to see everyone’s wins while it seems like my life is collapsing now.

You feel like that because you want to be successful like them. It's a normal feeling. I'd be weirded out by someone who doesn't have it. Virtual hug.

We're all just strangers on the internet, but I feel just like you do. It does discourage me. I've cried. I've been angry against people who have tried to help me out of pure altruism. It's hell. People who are lucky enough not to experience this will never understand what's like to have a mental breakdown on a Friday Night at 8pm, in which you question your entire life, while people your age are having the time of their lives partying and drinking.

No matter what you do, keep on trying. That's what I do. There are other things in life who make it worth living besides a salary and a career. Again, virtual hug.

Re: Ask HN: Are You a Failure?

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Same feeling. I was writing games and small applications C++ for fun as a teen in the 90s. I was so fascinated by it, but found ultimately, it really depressed me. Probably just spending too much time thinking, not socializing, etc. Didn't touch code or an editor again until 2009 or so, on accident so to speak trying to debug something for the boss. Found out a couple years later that I could get paid to code...had n…

> it really depressed me. Probably just spending too much time thinking, not socializing, etc. Yeah. Moving away from programming had an incredibly positive effect on my life. Almost everything that used to be awkward for me is easy now because of that one choice. Especially socialization, communication, speaking in public and with confidence, interpersonal skills in general. I really developed as a person in ways I…

> Moving away from programming had an incredibly positive effect on my life. Almost everything that used to be awkward for me is easy now because of that one choice. Especially socialization, communication, speaking in public and with confidence, interpersonal skills in general.

I realize that you are possibly rationalizing and grieving a loss, ie employing a "sour grapes" perspective, but programming is not an inexorable obstacle to interpersonal skills. On the contrary, it can be—and has been for the gross bulk of my career—a highly social activity not unlike relating anecdotes at cocktail party while playing the piano. It's a true shame, and pet peeve, that coders are painted all with the brush of introversion, seclusion, isolation and singular, misanthropic focus.

Re: Ask HN: Are You a Failure?

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I have a business that is on track for failure. It's got some time yet but seems unlikely to turn around. The threshold for failure in this case is that it does not generate enough revenue to pay me and my partner a proper salary and won't any time soon. The cause is probably one of either over-estimating the market size or under-estimating the difficulty of building awareness of the product within that market. It's a bit hard to tell the difference. There might be other causes but it amounts to: not enough customers show up and pay for the product, and advertising doesn't seem to work. It will have resulted in a net loss, however, I'm lucky to have ample resources and so it won't make much difference to my overall net worth. It is an affordable failure.

A deeper root cause is perhaps a different kind of failure in the past. Several times in my career I've had the experience of appearing to have career success due to either initiating or being very early involved in successful projects. But this didn't lead to a stable or cushy career. Instead what happened each time is that after a few years the organizations in effect thanked me for my work and then pushed me aside due to various forms of back-room politics. I've never been fired but have been sidelined or driven to quit, each time with the people closest to what happened making it clear that what happened was deeply unfair and often not just involving me but also others being pushed out at the same time (and thus usually it wasn't strictly personal but involved wider organizational dysfunction).

Creating a company was my hope for an escape from this, to find peace and stability at last where good work done can build something for the long term, without the constant mental drain of wondering if there are people manoeuvering behind the scenes to tear it all down. Alas, you can see the key weakness: the company was created to satisfy my own needs, not because I saw an upswell of untapped customer demand. Creating successful companies is hard, especially in the software world where there are many competitors who are engage in market dumping with loose VC money for years or decades at a time. I chose not to raise (a deliberate choice, the option was there), because building a cash burner is easy but doesn't satisfy the goal of creating long term stability. So unless we pivot and get lucky with some new idea I'll probably have to return to the corporate world later this year or next and just get used to the idea that life will likely always be somewhat restless.

Re: Ask HN: Are You a Failure?

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> it really depressed me. Probably just spending too much time thinking, not socializing, etc. Yeah. Moving away from programming had an incredibly positive effect on my life. Almost everything that used to be awkward for me is easy now because of that one choice. Especially socialization, communication, speaking in public and with confidence, interpersonal skills in general. I really developed as a person in ways I…

> Moving away from programming had an incredibly positive effect on my life. Almost everything that used to be awkward for me is easy now because of that one choice. Especially socialization, communication, speaking in public and with confidence, interpersonal skills in general. I realize that you are possibly rationalizing and grieving a loss, ie employing a "sour grapes" perspective, but programming is not an inexo…

I'm not saying developers are all like this. I'm saying I used to be like this. I was definitely one of those stereotypical introverts. I just didn't want to socialize at all. Computers were so much more interesting than people to me. As a kid I felt more comfortable just immersing myself in computing for 14 hours straight.

Only after I moved away from programming to a people-oriented profession did that change. I'm sure others will have different experiences and they're just as valid.

I don't think I have a sour grapes perspective at all. I'm proud of my choices. When I was writing that post it just became clear to me the consequences of those choices: what I gained and what I gave up. Sometimes I wonder what life would have been like had I made different choices but overall I'm happy with the path my life took. I still consider myself a failed programmer but that's okay.

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