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Post by _kbh_ »

cudgy wrote: post #251
_kbh_ wrote: post #240

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> During the span of 2014-2022, the war in Ukraine (pre Russian invasion) The Russian invasion began in 2014. How do you think these 'separatists' got Russian anti air equipment and Russian MBT's?.

By that definition, the US invasion began in 2014 too. Who do you think primarily supplied Ukraine with weapons and training? https://www.npr.org/2019/12/18/788874844/how-u-s-military-ai...

> By that definition, the US invasion began in 2014 too. Who do you think primarily supplied Ukraine with weapons and training?

Im not sure what you think an invasion is, but wouldn't a foreign power, stationing their military in your country without your consent qualify?.

Where as when you invite another military to help you out its not really an invasion?.

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Post by yakireev »

nevermindiguess wrote: post #230
yakireev wrote: post #212

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TIL that Yandex campus where I used to work for so many years was a gulag. Okay.

To our American friends, if the campus doesn’t have McDonald’s and a rainbow flag, it’s a Gulag. That’s the level.

Ironically enough, floors of the seven-story building were painted in the colours of rainbow, and there was a Starbucks downstairs.

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Post by mrits »

yogthos wrote: post #249
koonsolo wrote: post #238

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And again the same mistake of claiming USSR == Russia. Yes, he was born in USSR, not Russia. Yes he received Soviet education, not Russian education. He made achievements in the communist system, not Russian. Also, look up in a dictionary what "racist" means.

Nowhere was I talking about Russia in this thread. I made a point that USSR developed a lot faster than western capitalist nations, and that it made a lot of inventions ahead of the west. You're the one who started bleating about Russia and making weird comments about what percentage of heredity makes a person Russian.

USSR did impressive things that Russia can't take credit for. That was the actual point being made here not some anti-communist agenda

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Post by fuy »

cudgy wrote: post #222
ethbr0 wrote: post #175

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By that standard, the UK, Spain and France are also in civil wars. IMHO, once military forces reach rough parity, civil wars should never be a justification for external involvement, because it always ends badly. Internal problems need internal solutions. If Russia and NATO had both stayed out of Ukraine, it would have been better for all Ukrainians. But we zoomed past the Rubicon on that when Crimea was invaded with…

“By that standard, the UK, Spain and France are also in civil wars.” Nice try. How do these compare at all to the Ukraine Donbas conflict? During the span of 2014-2022, the war in Ukraine (pre Russian invasion) between Ukraine and Donbas region resulted in the following: Ukraine troops 4,647 killed, 70 missing, 13,800–14,200 wounded Donbas troops 6,517 killed, 15,800–16,200 wounded 3,404 Ukrainian civilians killed 14…

wtf, this is just a lie. Have your looked at actual casualty numbers in 2016-2021? i.e after the initial bloodbath that Russians started in 2014 and that finished in 2015.

it's been around 100 killed per year (both civilians and army) for 5 years before the current war - still 100 more than should be, of course, but it's less than the number of DAILY casualties since February 2022. Also, what you call a "Ukrainian Donbass conflict" is called a Russian military aggression, if you're not a pro-putin shill

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Post by baybal2 »

iavael wrote: post #207
koonsolo wrote: post #143

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Why would a quick win of Ukraine suddenly change the political landscape in Russia? Russians don't protest now, so why would they suddenly start doing that? However, a weak Russia cannot keep regions that want to break away. Russia as we know it now is not going to exist anymore. Not because they would suddenly overthrow the current government (which they won't). But because plenty of 'friendly' neighbor states might…

There's not many regions in Russia that would really break away. If we speak about regions with russian majority then it's unlikely because despite Russia being very big russian ethnicity culturally is quite uniform. And as for other ethnicities then for most of them it's not economically or politically viable to separate: either their country will become enclaves surrounded by large mass of russian territory or will…

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Post by ivan_gammel »

yostrovs wrote: post #256
ivan_gammel wrote: post #134

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I’ve been reading a lot of books in Russian, watched lots of movies and attended a lot of contemporary art exhibitions in Moscow and St.Petersburg. I’m struggling to find any traces of such contribution of emigrant communities in the last 30 years (well, maybe Akunin or Sorokin?). There are a few names from Soviet times, but they represent a fraction of what’s been happening and emigrants usually reflect on the past.

It is true that in the last 30 Russia has been absorbing American, particularly African American culture as far as music, movies, and dress are concerned. Russian culture in Russia is in decline generally.

As Russia opened more to the world, it indeed started absorbing elements of many other cultures (I do not know, why you focus on African American culture here and call its influence a decline - it sounds racist). However it does not mean it lost its unique identity and did not develop over the time. Probably, as an emigrant you just missed it and now so disconnected from the motherland that you have no idea what's actually going on there. It's much bigger than what you can find in TV news (who watches TV nowadays?!) or on a few YouTube blogs. How many contemporary Russian artists or writers do you know? What do you know about the modern internet culture of Russians, which is bigger than everything else? Do you know what modern Russians eat and where they go for a date? Are you familiar with TV ads that were so popular that they found their way into the language? Do you know what's going on on the roads and what part of life of modern Russian is dedicated to driving a car and everything around it? What do you know about national theatrical awards and have you ever seen any winning performance?

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Post by ymolodtsov »

ghostwriter wrote: post #151
asats wrote: post #144

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There's lot of smart people left, that's no doubt, but there is an obvious filter that the ones left behind are on average less risk taking, more conservative, often older, often the ones with the national motto of "от нас ничего не зависит/there's nothing I can do", and the next google or the next scientific breakthrough is much more likely to come out of the young risk taking ones now living in a functional country…

> but there is an obvious filter that the ones left behind are on average less risk taking Where’s that clarity come from? The opposite could be argued as well: those who’ve left are seeking safety and safety isn’t associated with risk taking. There are fewer risks in leaving Russia than in staying in. > breakthrough is much more likely to come out of the young risk taking ones now living in a functional country and…

How many emigrations have you done? Because if the answer is "zero" I'm not sure your opinion counts. Taking your entire life, your family, kids, urgently moving to another country at a time when your bank card don't work internationally, you can't reliably wire money out, and there are visa restriction placed on you even when you have a visa. Then learning how to live in a different country, where you understand nothing: from how to pay taxes to using their version of self-checkout kiosks.

Emigration is the ultimate risk-taking.

I now have friends who have a position ready for them in the US, in business and academia, yet they were put on administrative check and have spent almost a year just waiting for their visa. They put most people with technical education on this check.

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Post by ymolodtsov »

m_fayer wrote: post #38
jjtheblunt wrote: post #10

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Romania voted out their authoritarian ruler with a firing squad back in the mid to late 80s. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicolae_Ceau%C8%99escu

Russia has become totalitarian, not just authoritarian. That’s an important distinction, totalitarian societies have much less capacity for independent action.

Russia doesn't really fit this description yet, even though Putin wants to create this image.

Totalitarian states relied on masses and didn't have to forcibly get people to participate in their marches.

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