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The Four Hobbies, and Apparent Expertise

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Re: The Four Hobbies, and Apparent Expertise

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I know a lot of guys who love fishing and can't seem to understand why I don't. When I was younger, I geared up and fished quite a bit. Once I became successful at the sport I began to realize I wasn't having as much fun as everybody was telling me I should have been having because I was actually catching fish. Then it dawned on me, what joy I initially had when I started fishing had run it's course. So, I moved on a…

Totally resonate with this. I'm still in love with fishing, but it's like once you've caught a 10lbs bass, bass fishing doesn't feel that interesting anymore. It's weird but fair to think that one day I may no longer enjoy fishing.

Re: The Four Hobbies, and Apparent Expertise

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This is why you should about companies touting their choice of an exotic language as a perk. Rather than hiring people who want to build a product, they hire people who bikeshed language debates. Choose Java and move on with your life.

I kind of agree with your general point. I just wish the default was something a bit less painful.

Go is the new java. Not great, but not so painful.

Re: The Four Hobbies, and Apparent Expertise

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I’ve found some of the most useful people on forums like StackOverflow, have very little experience actually shipping product.

They are often my “go to” people, for things like the correct way to do stuff, or for rabbithole exploration of technology/technique, but it comes more from a place of theory, than it does, from practical application.

This is not always a bad thing. In fact, it can be a very good thing.

I’m very much a “get the job done” type of chap. I get my hands dirty, and regularly get stuff out, and into the world.

But I don’t give myself a lot of time to learn esoteric theory or optimization. I do the thing, but maybe not as well as it could be done, or as effectively.

That’s why I appreciate some of these folks that spend all their time, exploring the whys of the techn[ology|ique]. I’ll buy their books, take their classes, or read their posts, and apply the fruits of their work to mine. One of the authors I respect the most for his amazing knowledge of the depths of Apple tech, had, the last time I checked, just one, rather silly, app on the App Store; but he’s written multiple books, and been a major presence at a lot of conferences.

There’s also a lot to be said for effective communicators. Knowing stuff can be worthless, if there’s no way to transmit the information. Writing books is really difficult. Writing books that people want to read, even more so.

Being a good speaker is also a valuable skill. There are folks with minimal expertise, that I can listen to for hours, and people that really know their stuff, that are great soporifics.

If someone can explain something to me, quickly and clearly, so I “get it,” then that person is valuable to me.

In turn, someone like me, can take their theory, and turn it into a real “thing”; handling all the repetitive, “boring” stuff that is required to get it out the door.

There’s a lot of looking down of noses, between “doers,” “talkers,” and “thinkers,” but I’ve found it’s best to have respect for each other, and combine our strengths.

Re: The Four Hobbies, and Apparent Expertise

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Insightful post. Maybe I’m burnt out, but I was kind of sad to see the pivot to “how to be a better worker” at the end of it. For me, when it comes to hobbies the it’s pretty sequential. I usually start with discussing, then start doing/gearing while discussing, then abandon the discussing and forget most of what I learned about gear, but usually keep doing. I spent a few months reading about bicycle sizing and compo…

That's how I see it, too. There's a gear-and-discussion phase in many hobbies, which is important to start to understand the field. But once you acquired the necessary basics, you'll start drifting into the doing. And that's really how it should be.

(As a semi-unrelated side note, I often see people looking down on certain quadrants. But to me, any hobby is fine so long as it doesn't hurt anyone while giving the practitioner joy.)

Re: The Four Hobbies, and Apparent Expertise

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post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is why you should about companies touting their choice of an exotic language as a perk. Rather than hiring people who want to build a product, they hire people who bikeshed language debates. Choose Java and move on with your life.

I kind of agree with your general point. I just wish the default was something a bit less painful.

There's two main groups on hacker news. The people who think Go and Java are the only reasonable languages, and the people who think Rust and TypeScript are the only reasonable languages.

Re: The Four Hobbies, and Apparent Expertise

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I know a lot of guys who love fishing and can't seem to understand why I don't. When I was younger, I geared up and fished quite a bit. Once I became successful at the sport I began to realize I wasn't having as much fun as everybody was telling me I should have been having because I was actually catching fish. Then it dawned on me, what joy I initially had when I started fishing had run it's course. So, I moved on a…

This is the same for me. I have realised that once I begin drifting into the gear + talking parts of a hobby, my interest in the doing parts of the hobby are waning, and I'll probably stop enjoying it shortly. I can either take a break, or continue pursuing the novelty of the hobby through acquisition of the gear; but this is actually a very stressful way to interact with a hobby.

It's a cycle though and after a break I come back to enjoying the doing parts. I have a bunch of hobbies that circle around in various levels of "doing decay".

Re: The Four Hobbies, and Apparent Expertise

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I started off in the "enjoying collecting gear" quadrant of photography, then I heard an insightful comment by a pro: "If you have $5K, you can either buy one good lens and use it to take photos of the pigeons outside your apartment, or spend that money on a destination holiday and take pictures of amazingly beautiful places with your old lens which still works perfectly fine." I stopped buying new kit and started go…

That Z9 will be yesterdays tech in a year or two, and you'll be able to pick it up for a fraction of its current price. It'll still perform exactly as well as it does today, but the gear heads will be onto the next new thing.

Re: The Four Hobbies, and Apparent Expertise

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I started off in the "enjoying collecting gear" quadrant of photography, then I heard an insightful comment by a pro: "If you have $5K, you can either buy one good lens and use it to take photos of the pigeons outside your apartment, or spend that money on a destination holiday and take pictures of amazingly beautiful places with your old lens which still works perfectly fine." I stopped buying new kit and started go…

That Z9 will be yesterdays tech in a year or two, and you'll be able to pick it up for a fraction of its current price. It'll still perform exactly as well as it does today, but the gear heads will be onto the next new thing.

I do two very expensive hobbies: Triathlon and Astrophotography

I've never bought flagship gear, and I often buy second hand. This is the way.

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