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Nostr (“Notes and Other Stuff Transmitted by Relays”) – An Introduction

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Re: Nostr (“Notes and Other Stuff Transmitted by Relays”) – An Introduction

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Post by dahwolf »

throw101010 wrote: post #14
eykanal wrote: post #3

Saying "I don't want censorship" is equivalent to saying "I'm fine with people using my tool for coffee meetups, genocide planning, bridge club, and drug deals." It's an attempted handwashing of moral responsibility under the cover of software purity. At this point, it's pretty well documented that social media _as a tool_ has increased young female mental illness; the question is only "how much" [1]. To try to wave…

> "I'm fine with people using my tool for coffee meetups, genocide planning, bridge club, and drug deals." It's an attempted handwashing of moral responsibility under the cover of software purity. None of these activities are efficiently stopped by censorship on the largest social media platforms... so what are you suggesting? That we continue to employ inefficient censorship (which gets also abused all the time by g…

The elephant in the room here is that quite likely a large part of content that may contribute to female mental illness is not hateful.

I'm of course talking about female influencers on Instagram flexing their wealth, highly customized looks, hot boyfriends, fancy holidays, etc. The phenomenon where a young girl at her most vulnerable/insecure age is ranking against this distorted image of filter-laden "expectations" is brand new.

My point being, there's a huge amount of content that is bad for our mental health, yet cannot be censored because the harm is indirect.

Re: Nostr (“Notes and Other Stuff Transmitted by Relays”) – An Introduction

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Post by drexlspivey »

leesalminen wrote: post #27
meibo wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> A CEO doesn’t approve an acquisition in a publicly traded company. The Board of Directors decide. Don't put words in my mouth. It may not entirely have been his decision, but nobody forced him to go on Twitter to say that he "chose him" and that he "believes it with all his heart"[0]. You cannot possibly tell me that you think that he was uninvolved in setting up the deal. Him being friends with Elon for ages is pu…

The recipient of that donation (@fiatjaf) immediately split it 50/50 with the developer of Damus (@jb55). All distributions have been done in public. At last check, fiatjaf has already dispersed 70% of the donation to other people/groups. fiatjaf has been a prominent developer in the Bitcoin community for many years. Think what you may about crypto bros, fiatjaf is not that. I've had the pleasure of working with him…

> If $240k were enough to sway him to do something he thought was wrong, Bitcoin would've been destroyed already.

How could fiatjaf destroy Bitcoin if he wanted to? He is not even a contributor in Bitcoin Core.

Re: Nostr (“Notes and Other Stuff Transmitted by Relays”) – An Introduction

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Post by themagician »

I have played with this a bit lately and my conclusion thus far is: The idea of trying to bind everything to a single private key is such a bad idea for the average person. In order to truly secure a private key you have to go to pretty extraordinary lengths. It is not easy. It is not, "common sense."

Like most of crypto, the basic immutable nature of things is simply bad for humans. Here, your private key is eventually going to get stolen because you have to type in your private key for every login. It creates a phishing/key-logging jackpot. And once the attacker gets you private key there is no recourse. No password reset. No way to regain access. Your accounts are forever compromised. This is the problem with "decentralization" in general. All of the benefits it brings are completely washed away by the mundane daily activities of being human.

Re: Nostr (“Notes and Other Stuff Transmitted by Relays”) – An Introduction

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Post by api »

themagician wrote: post #83

I have played with this a bit lately and my conclusion thus far is: The idea of trying to bind everything to a single private key is such a bad idea for the average person. In order to truly secure a private key you have to go to pretty extraordinary lengths. It is not easy. It is not, "common sense." Like most of crypto, the basic immutable nature of things is simply bad for humans. Here, your private key is eventua…

There are ways to fix this such as the ability to issue a key revocation and issue a new key via a secondary key stored elsewhere but few of these systems implement such measures.

The user experience is also hard.

Re: Nostr (“Notes and Other Stuff Transmitted by Relays”) – An Introduction

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Post by kayamon »

meibo wrote: post #20
leesalminen wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> how his judgement failed so spectacularly with the Twitter deal A CEO doesn’t approve an acquisition in a publicly traded company. The Board of Directors decide. > or has full control over the protocol and the app. Jack does not have any control over the nostr protocol. He may arguably have some control over one of the iOS client apps (due to him finding the dev), but that’s about it. I was an organizer of nostrica…

> A CEO doesn’t approve an acquisition in a publicly traded company. The Board of Directors decide. Don't put words in my mouth. It may not entirely have been his decision, but nobody forced him to go on Twitter to say that he "chose him" and that he "believes it with all his heart"[0]. You cannot possibly tell me that you think that he was uninvolved in setting up the deal. Him being friends with Elon for ages is pu…

> Don't put words in my mouth.

> You cannot possibly tell me that you think that[...]

> If you think that a[...]

You put more words in people's mouths than anyone else.

Re: Nostr (“Notes and Other Stuff Transmitted by Relays”) – An Introduction

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Post by schoen »

evbogue wrote: post #54
Zamicol wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In my mind, key rotation is foundational, and neither system appears to support that.

You just generate a new key and link to it with your old key.

Is that process automated / formalized, or manual / informal?

Re: Nostr (“Notes and Other Stuff Transmitted by Relays”) – An Introduction

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Post by derefr »

drexlspivey wrote: post #71
kvathupo wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As I understand it, the raison d'être of nostr is to use relays to store your data, which is presented on clients. So if a front-end bans you, then you can grab your data off any relay. If imgur shuts down, you're out of luck! Bluesky goes further with the AT protocol for more general data and algorithms iirc

Relays don't (have to) store your data, they relay in real time via websockets. Clients should store the data if they care about persistence

How is this not just IRC then? The thing that makes Twitter/Mastadon/etc not just IRC, is that in these, you can scroll back as far as you like—specifically, past where your client joined the network.

Re: Nostr (“Notes and Other Stuff Transmitted by Relays”) – An Introduction

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Post by evbogue »

schoen wrote: post #86
evbogue wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You just generate a new key and link to it with your old key.

Is that process automated / formalized, or manual / informal?

Nope, you just generate a new keypair and link to it. It rotates, has done so for years.

Re: Nostr (“Notes and Other Stuff Transmitted by Relays”) – An Introduction

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Post by evbogue »

tough wrote: post #52
cube2222 wrote: post #48

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Iirc the waitlist is packed (million or so) and they've only let in 20k so far while they're working on scaling moderation (which is pluggable as well, I think). Some info in the interview by TheVerge[0]. [0]: https://www.theverge.com/23686778/bluesky-ceo-jay-graber-int...

Lol seems easier to get hired than invited by those numbers, I´ll join the matrix channel and see what´s up there

I've been on that Matrix, there's like one guy in there who thinks that centralized key rotation is real. I didn't really see anyone else while I was there.

Re: Nostr (“Notes and Other Stuff Transmitted by Relays”) – An Introduction

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Post by partialzero »

derefr wrote: post #87
drexlspivey wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Relays don't (have to) store your data, they relay in real time via websockets. Clients should store the data if they care about persistence

How is this not just IRC then? The thing that makes Twitter/Mastadon/etc not just IRC, is that in these, you can scroll back as far as you like—specifically, past where your client joined the network.

Yeah, seems like a (barebones/underspecified) IRC.
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