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Delaware will become the 22nd state to legalize recreational marijuana

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Re: Delaware will become the 22nd state to legalize recreational marijuana

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Executing people almost never works. You can't kill everyone and the higher-ups will never run out of expendable street-level dealers. The lure of lots of easy money is too strong.

What places have gone hog wild executing drug dealers and not found a reduction in drug use?

It causes a reduction, but it doesn't remove drugs, and you end up killing mostly people who only ended up in drugs because they were desperate, poor, or mentally ill.

Re: Delaware will become the 22nd state to legalize recreational marijuana

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In most cases I believe states are threatened with penalties or withdrawal of federal funding when they try and disobey federal law. Even with other drug laws like alcohol, states have been threatened with losing funding for roads if they were to lower the legal age to 18. Marijuana is simply too negligible of an issue for the federal government to really do anything about it. https://abcnews.go.com/amp/US/Politics/s…

> Marijuana is simply too negligible of an issue It's not that simple and not everyone agrees with the above statement. Harm reduction is not really emphasized with marijuana, yet it's increasingly necessary as concentrations increase. "Everything in moderation" seems to have been forgotten in that case. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9462911/ Orange man took notice, but he's wrong about everything, so…

Yes because blaming mass shootings on marijuana is of course absurd. Why don’t any other countries with the access to the same marijuana have mass shootings?

Re: Delaware will become the 22nd state to legalize recreational marijuana

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Legality has nothing to do with enforcement. We can say that X Y or Z is illegal according to the laws of the Roman Empire, despite the fact that it hasn’t been able to enforce anything for more than 1000 years. Similarly, weed is illegal in the US — whether it’s unenforced because the feds choose not to do so, or because they can’t, is perhaps an interesting question but has nothing to do with whether it’s legal.

When I disagreed with "California cannot override the federal government." I didn't mean to override their law on a theoretical level but their authority on a practical level. Sanctuary cities have shown that the state/local governments partially override the federal government on an overall basis, though not so much directly in individual cases (though they are able to request, not demand, and get their way in a lot…

> Sanctuary cities have shown that the state/local governments partially override the federal government on an overall basis

No, they don’t.

Sanctuary cities are not sanctuaries from the federal law the “sanctuary” status references, merely ones where the city has prohibited public resources from being used to provide extra, nonmandatory, help to the feds.

“Not actively helping” isn’t “overriding”.

Re: Delaware will become the 22nd state to legalize recreational marijuana

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> Marijuana is simply too negligible of an issue It's not that simple and not everyone agrees with the above statement. Harm reduction is not really emphasized with marijuana, yet it's increasingly necessary as concentrations increase. "Everything in moderation" seems to have been forgotten in that case. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9462911/ Orange man took notice, but he's wrong about everything, so…

Yes because blaming mass shootings on marijuana is of course absurd. Why don’t any other countries with the access to the same marijuana have mass shootings?

Because they don't have a second amendment? The comparison you should be paying attention to however is the rate of mass shootings within the US per year.

https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2014/10/mass-shootings-...

> While many mass shooters had mental-health problems, as the Mother Jones data shows, there is no reason to believe that there has been an increase in mental illness rates in the last several years that could help explain the rise in mass shootings. (In fact, federal research on the prevalence of severe mental illness shows a decrease in recent years.)

You can't rule out these things when you consider that delta-8-thc has only been found in noticeable amounts in marijuana since 2010 or so. That particular compound has been known to cause psychosis, which can cause other long-term cascading mental illness.

As a drug supporter I'm sure you've heard of the concept of a "bad batch"

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4987131/table/T...

Re: Delaware will become the 22nd state to legalize recreational marijuana

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I just wish they would prohibit usage in public places like train stations or public parks. It is hard when you have little kids and the air is filled with the smell.

same. It's legal in my state. Every parking lot I go into the smell is heavy there. People sit it their cars and smoke I guess. I assume people drive high then more frequently. I don't want to share the road with high people. Somehow public intoxication is ok now when it's marijuana which I don't understand. Maybe people misunderstand what legalization means or maybe it's because being high is harder to detect? I don't know.

Re: Delaware will become the 22nd state to legalize recreational marijuana

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When I disagreed with "California cannot override the federal government." I didn't mean to override their law on a theoretical level but their authority on a practical level. Sanctuary cities have shown that the state/local governments partially override the federal government on an overall basis, though not so much directly in individual cases (though they are able to request, not demand, and get their way in a lot…

> Sanctuary cities have shown that the state/local governments partially override the federal government on an overall basis No, they don’t. Sanctuary cities are not sanctuaries from the federal law the “sanctuary” status references, merely ones where the city has prohibited public resources from being used to provide extra, nonmandatory, help to the feds. “Not actively helping” isn’t “overriding”.

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Re: Delaware will become the 22nd state to legalize recreational marijuana

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Is it because the illegality of marijuana is based on a questionable interpretation of the commerce clause which lots of other power is based on and no one in government really wants challenged in court?

Essentially the US has been living under wartime powers since 1942. The Supreme Court vastly expanded the federal government’s powers during WWII, because it seemed like a good and necessary idea at the time to preserve the nation. Power once given cannot be taken away and that comical interpretation of the Commerce Clause stands relatively unscathed to this day.

Do you think there's any chance the current court will take a stab at it? I was shocked when they touched Roe, and IIUC the structure of the Commerce Clause precedent isn't entirely dissimilar from Roe (i.e. both stem from very creative readings).

(Quick genuflection for the potentially offended: I am pro abortion rights at the national level, but I think they should be implemented properly, i.e. through Congress, because a precedent of improperly implemented legal standards threatens the entire democratic system).

Re: Delaware will become the 22nd state to legalize recreational marijuana

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> ...since each state is unique in it people and geography. This is just so wrong on so many levels it's hard to know what to respond to. Maybe try going outside, you'll find it's actually completly continuous, there is no species change when crossing state lines 8-) Even more to the point, typical (media prtrayed) state based differences all have gapping inaccuracies: - california has more republicans than texas - t…

> Maybe try going outside, you'll find it's actually completly continuous, there is no species change when crossing state lines Culture is different even in nearby states. I grew up in Virginia, went to college in Georgia, and live in Maryland now. Right before the pandemic my parents moved nearby, after living in Virginia for 30 years. My dad pointed out the other day that Marylanders aren’t like Virginians, somethi…

> Culture is different even in nearby states.

Yes, but the US is arguably much more culturally homogenous than many other countries. Whatever differences you see between Virginia and Maryland, I think they are significantly smaller than the differences between Ontario and Quebec. New York and Alabama may seem far apart culturally, but how does that compare to the cultural differences between Uttar Pradesh and Kerala, or between Sokoto and Akwa Ibom?

Re: Delaware will become the 22nd state to legalize recreational marijuana

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> Maybe try going outside, you'll find it's actually completly continuous, there is no species change when crossing state lines Culture is different even in nearby states. I grew up in Virginia, went to college in Georgia, and live in Maryland now. Right before the pandemic my parents moved nearby, after living in Virginia for 30 years. My dad pointed out the other day that Marylanders aren’t like Virginians, somethi…

> Culture is different even in nearby states. Yes, but the US is arguably much more culturally homogenous than many other countries. Whatever differences you see between Virginia and Maryland, I think they are significantly smaller than the differences between Ontario and Quebec. New York and Alabama may seem far apart culturally, but how does that compare to the cultural differences between Uttar Pradesh and Kerala,…

US cultural homogeneity is overstated by comparison to countries or regions with different languages. But Australia and Canada and the US are all English speaking—do they not warrant being separate countries? What about Australia and New Zealand? Ireland and Britain and Scotland? And language aside—are Denmark and Sweden more different from each other than New York versus Alabama?
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