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MouthPad – In-Mouth Bluetooth Mouse Uses Tongue Sensitive Trackpad

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Re: MouthPad – In-Mouth Bluetooth Mouse Uses Tongue Sensitive Trackpad

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A lot of people - especially people with impairments whom it would help a lot if they know about it - are unaware of the fantastic pointer-accessibility stuff that's built into MacOS: https://support.apple.com/guide/mac-help/move-the-pointer-us... You can control the pointer with head movements, and click with things like blinks and smiles. All built into the OS, no 3rd party software.

Heat pointer is great and I really hope Apple follows it up with building proper eye tracking hardware and software into Macs & iDevices. It's such a great opportunity to improve UX and reduce RSI for everyone by sharing the load among more input sources. I've tried the Tobii stuff but it's not great, no solution out there has quite nailed the calibration nor the UX yet, as it requires OS-level UX changes.

Every input source has a point after which it causes fatigue or pain - hands, head, eyes, tongue, feet, etc. The more the load is spread out, the better! This MouthPad looks fantastic as another input method to share the load.

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For a cheaper setup, I have a right-handed vertical mouse (Amazon $20 special) to the right of my keyboard, and a second left-handed mouse on the left, and I switch between them throughout the day. It makes my desk look a little silly, but it works great!

I've adopted a similarly-inspired setup with a tradtional mouse on the right and a touchpad on the left. I initially added the touchpad to assist with vertical scrolling on Mac OS, but now I move between the two depending on the task and it keeps my wrists happier.

Same setup here. Hoping for even more input devices in more places to spread the load. For instance there's also some folks building ergo keyboard with trackpads near the thumbs to replicate the MacBook experience of a trackpad below spacebar for the occasional pinch zoom or scroll. And having various buttons/knobs for specialized tasks would also be great.

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> I'm curious, what are the advantages to using this over a regular mouse? The advantages are probably similar to those of any vertical mouse: There's much less stress on the wrist, which is important if you're suffering from e.g. RSI. But since in this case the mouse is also ambidextrous, you can switch hands, too. (-> Useful for ambidextrous people and, also, even less stress on the individual wrist.)

For a cheaper setup, I have a right-handed vertical mouse (Amazon $20 special) to the right of my keyboard, and a second left-handed mouse on the left, and I switch between them throughout the day. It makes my desk look a little silly, but it works great!

Good idea.

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> I use a Penguin mouse I couldn't help but chuckle when I saw what it looked like. I'm curious, what are the advantages to using this over a regular mouse?

> I'm curious, what are the advantages to using this over a regular mouse? The advantages are probably similar to those of any vertical mouse: There's much less stress on the wrist, which is important if you're suffering from e.g. RSI. But since in this case the mouse is also ambidextrous, you can switch hands, too. (-> Useful for ambidextrous people and, also, even less stress on the individual wrist.)

Exactly that. It has a flip switch to swap the left/right buttons when you change hands, but I never use that as I'm used to thinking of right click as index finger and left click as middle finger on either hand.

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I realise this is intended for accessibility (for which is looks amazing), but I can also see this gaining widespread abled [0] use for things like gaming, and making mobile computing easier. I can see myself pulling out the iPad on the train, and popping in the mouthpad to make navigation through Mails, Procreate, etc. easier. [0] I tried "non-disabled" here, but that just seemed too clumsy. Am I missing an obvious…

Abled is the correct term, yeah. Sometimes we call them pre-disabled if we're being cheeky or trying to make a point.

You mean tongue in cheek.

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I love this. Not just for restoring pointing capabilities to people without the use of their hands or dexterity, but for how unintrusive it is.

How awesome would it would be to use this to control a head-mounted display like Google Glass? Imagine if I could be out in public and operate a computer without it ever being obvious that I'm doing anything—without it ever getting in the way, without it ever distracting others.

Maybe we finally have a matching input method to go with those contact-lens HUDs.

And oh man, imagine the covert opportunities this would open up. Phone not allowed? That's OK, I have a computer in my head. My limbs can be full or even tied up and I'd still be able to compute. In a threatening situation where I can't move? That's fine, I can call for help or start a recording with just the use of my tongue, without putting myself in any additional danger.

Plus, tongue control lacks a lot of the issues that BCIs normally bring up, like the difficulty of inhibiting random electrical signals in my brain. With my tongue, there is no doubt that any movement I make was entirely intended. I can be faster and more efficient because I can perform actions with more certainty and less ambiguity.

I've joined the waitlist. Digits crossed that this doesn't end up costing tens of thousands of dollars, although there's no price listed so it probably will.

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I've been wanting a wearable computer with a display integrated into glasses for years. A few years ago I got to try one that was on par with a Fitbit Versa, which would be perfect for me. (I never got one, and now it's not being made.) Something like this would be perfect for a wearable computer. I personally want to try one, but I suspect the cost, and custom molding, are too high to "just try it out." I had a 3D s…

> One thing that I want to point out is that the battery module next to the molars looks very uncomfortable.

Slip a finger back there and you'll find out it's not uncomfortable at all. It's really not.

Re: MouthPad – In-Mouth Bluetooth Mouse Uses Tongue Sensitive Trackpad

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I worked in accessible tech for the blind for a few years. It's awesome that these guys are doing something that could be genuinely useful to a swathe of society who really needs the help, and I do wish the space got more attention and money. However, and I hope I'm wrong here, this is looking like another case of techies with a nifty looking device that will be "available soon" but, more importantly, already tried m…

I've never heard of a "smart cane", I'm curious why its a dumb idea?

I'll link to an open source project [0] because I don't want to throw mud at any particular company, and it is a cool project to develop for anyone motivated enough.

Having said that, it's a dumb product because the cane is very often beaten up, or misplaced so it's an expectation that it will need replacing every 12-18 months. The additional weight needed for the hardware throws off the natural balance of the cane making it more difficult to use and also interferes with the haptic feedback users depend on from a "dumb" cane. Also, the white cane is relatively cheap ($20-50 USD) - smart canes are usually $1000+, or if the "smarts" come as attachments to an analog cane, they would range $300-500 (my intelligence is 2-3 years old, so it might be higher now), so out of reach to most blind people. None are stand-alone and require synching with the phone, but many users who are tech savvy enough to use one of these already uses a navigation app, so one of the key benefits (GPS navigation) is redundant.

Overall the drawbacks (price, negative impact on usability, natural wear and tear) greatly outweigh the possible benefits.

Everyone in the industry is genuine, there is very little profiteering, and the goal across the board is to improve people's lives, but these products are always from young techies (student or technically advanced blind person) who made an awesome project that should be celebrated. But they should also be one-offs and open-sourced, with the money and effort spent on launching smart canes that will inevitably fail in the market better spent elsewhere.

[0] https://maker.pro/arduino/projects/arduino-smart-cane-for-th...

Re: MouthPad – In-Mouth Bluetooth Mouse Uses Tongue Sensitive Trackpad

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This would also work great as a non-verbal, non-hands communication device. Currently research is being done in Subvocal Recognition [1] but it's very imprecise and can essentially only get to yes/no answers.

Imagine using this along with something like PalmOS Graffiti [2] + predictive text to send silent messages to people.

[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subvocal_recognition

[2]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graffiti_(Palm_OS)

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