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Rich Dad Poor Dad... Worst Personal Finance Book of All Time?

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Re: Rich Dad Poor Dad... Worst Personal Finance Book of All Time?

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I disagree.. the most important message in the book is that business and entrepreneurship is the path to success, NOT being an employee and staying in the rat race. While it may be common sense to someone who's been in business for a while, or read a lot of similar literature, it's far from obvious to most people. I'm not ashamed to say Rich Dad Poor Dad has been one of the most influential books I've read in my life…

"But there's certainly great value in the book"--I don't think there is. Here's why I don't think Kiyosaki offers anything useful in the categories of knowledge you've identified:

- "business vs 'rat race'": As others have pointed out, business is certainly not better than the rat race for everyone, or even most people. Based on every study I've ever seen, the reality seems to be that starting a business is only appropriate or beneficial for a small subset of the population. I.e. people with certain unique skillsets, a high tolerance for risk, and boatloads of time to invest.

- "building assets vs liabilities": In other words "make lots of money, and try not to borrow too much." Well, duh. Anyone who would even think to buy a personal finance book can probably appreciate that income is desirable and debt undesirable. They don't need Kiyosaki's help with that.

- "learning to sell": I don't think Kiyosaki offers anything close to a practical guide on improving your sales skills.

- "active vs passive income": Passive income is not a realistic goal for the vast majority of people. Even if you found a successful business, chances are, you will continue to invest large amounts of effort to keep it running profitably. You pretty much have to win the startup lottery if you want passive income. As the term "startup lottery" implies, it's a pretty rare occurrence in the real world.

- "value of financial literacy": This is just the same as saying "it's a good idea to know how to make money." Telling people to have financial literacy is worthless if you don't offer any useful education on finance. It's even worse if you instead offer patently wrong advice, such as ignoring your taxes in order to "pay yourself."

Re: Rich Dad Poor Dad... Worst Personal Finance Book of All Time?

#122
post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I suppose we have different definitions of "scammy". RDPD and the 4-hour series both package up common-sense recommendations in a way that resonates with a lot of people. There might not be a whole lot of substance there, but I don't think that's the point. The people who buy (and enjoy) those books, are the ones who just want to find someone else saying what they're thinking. It's a bit of extra motivation towards t…

The 4-hour series borders on sociopathic behavior at times. I'd hardly call it common sense. I think Dwight Garner's review of 4-Hour Body in the New York Times summed up exactly how I felt about 4-Hour Workweek: "“The 4-Hour Body” reads as if The New England Journal of Medicine had been hijacked by the editors of the SkyMall catalog."

Ferris borders on the extravagant when talking about his personal experimentation. He portrays the image of a guy who has tried a million different things to keep the reader from having to. It's extreme, but the actual "advice" is all fairly common sense.

He advocates a slow-carb diet, which has been shown to effectively help people reach a healthy and sustainable weight. He also advocates that people do complex exercises rather than over-focusing on specific muscle groups. That makes up the majority of his health advice, and is not especially controversial and is all fairly common sense. He's basically saying to eat healthy food and to workout regularly if you want to be healthy.

He does throw some stuff in the "love" section that's just meant to sell books, and it's pretty much filler material, but I still wouldn't consider it scammy or bad advice. He's not advocating that people go to extremes like he did.

Re: Rich Dad Poor Dad... Worst Personal Finance Book of All Time?

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I think history tends to be written by the winners when it comes to entrepreneurship. It's a lot harder- and a lot more luck involved- than many would admit.

Survivorship bias and narrative fallacy pervade almost everything, it seems.

in the long run, we're all dead - so better we go ahead and die now?

Re: Rich Dad Poor Dad... Worst Personal Finance Book of All Time?

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post #117

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Tim Ferris founded and ran a Multi-Level Marketing company that sold supplements. I have no use for anyone or anything that comes from a MLM background.

Before you dismiss Tim Ferris out of hand for his background, you should consider dismissing him on the merits of his methods of holding your breath longer than Houdini or eating ginger and sauerkraut to gain muscle.

Doing it my way cuts down on time wasted by at least 60 seconds.

Re: Rich Dad Poor Dad... Worst Personal Finance Book of All Time?

#125
post #103

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What self-help materials do you recommend?

There's a lot of different ones of course... off the top of my head: No more Mr Nice Guy by Robert Glover. I also like Personal development for smart people by Steve Pavlina. Tom Butler-Bowdon has a series of books that summarize all the major works in psychology/self help/prosperity/success/etc. Those are a good way to get up to speed and learn what's out there in the genre.

Thanks, I'll look into them.

Re: Rich Dad Poor Dad... Worst Personal Finance Book of All Time?

#126
post #57

im my opinion this blog post is kind of a very clever marketing FOR the book

Note that the link to the book contains the blog owner's Amazon affiliate referral code, so even if you disagree and click through to Amazon and buy something, he gets a cut. I'd love to see the economic benefit of this post to the author (along with the number of orders of the book the post actually induced).

This is not a moral judgment of linking to products you disavow, just intellectual curiosity about the results of such a counterintuitive marketing approach compared to affirmative recommendations of other popular books.

Re: Rich Dad Poor Dad... Worst Personal Finance Book of All Time?

#127
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http://www.johntreed.com/Kiyosaki.html Is probably one of the better resources regarding Robert Kiyosaki.

While it doesn't say anything about his arguments, it should be noted that John T. Reed is far from unbiased, he's Kiyosaki's direct competitor.

Direct competitor? John T Reed self publishes. He lacks $16,000+ "seminars" that tour the country. Kiyosaki puts on, a horrendous Yahoo! run of financial advice, etc. Reed educates by noting the falseness of other guru's: http://www.johntreed.com/Reedgururating.html

He is not unbiased as you say, but "direct competitor" is rather strong.

Re: Rich Dad Poor Dad... Worst Personal Finance Book of All Time?

#128

I recommend Felix Dennis' book "How to get Rich" as a good alternative to Rich Dad Poor Dad. Felix doesn't sugar coat his advice, he points out the sacrifice that will typically be involved in getting rich if that's what you want.

I've read both and Dennis book is much better, plus it is also more authentic.

As has been pointed out, Kiyosaki made up his rich dad.

Re: Rich Dad Poor Dad... Worst Personal Finance Book of All Time?

#129
Rich Dad Poor Dad was not meant to be a Biblical be-all end-all; in one of his talks, he mentioned that the original manuscript is supposed to be a manual for the game he invented, "Cashflow 101," which was trashed by the first testers for being a long and complicated game, but anyway.

The author nailed down the first point, about financial literacy being critical, and people turning out poor because of the lack of it. If this were not true, most if not all summa cum laude graduates would own, instead of just work for, a company; they succeeded in traditional education, but know nothing about finance.

The two others are completely off. RDPD was never meant to be an instruction booklet on how to become rich, much less how to get rich in real estate. He also misunderstood the concept of "paying yourself first" to mean "don't pay your taxes," which is simply false. He made it sound like Kiyosaki is some selfish person who is demanding the rest of the world to be the same; but if you read the rest of the book, he actually points out that rich people are very unselfish, because they give what other people want: jobs, products, services, etc., as opposed to those who just want to be paid more despite being mediocre. He also said that if you want to be rich, you have to give other people what they want.

Kiyosaki's example about being "inspired" by the screaming of creditors and the government is nothing more than that: a personal example. He didn't say everyone should follow that example. In fact, he said a couple of paragraphs later: "If you do not like financial pressure, then find a formula that works for you." And he said a few paragraphs prior: "If you cannot get control of yourself, do not try to get rich. You might first want to join the Marine Corps or some religious order so you can get control of yourself." He's clear about the dangers of falling to the temptation of spending on consumer debt and using investment to cover it up.

Also, that little bit about child labor is odd. It's not like Rich Dad was trying to make millions from his son and his friend. It was more of a lesson to show how employees live their lives; personal experience tends to be a more powerful teacher, after all.

Saying that, I admit that some of the stories in some of his other books were simply repeated from this one. It must be kind of him to assume that the readers of his other books haven't read the others, but it can get annoying reading the same story.

Re: Rich Dad Poor Dad... Worst Personal Finance Book of All Time?

#130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think history tends to be written by the winners when it comes to entrepreneurship. It's a lot harder- and a lot more luck involved- than many would admit.

It's been a while, but I'm pretty sure all of his books point out that 9/10 attempts result in failure; the trick being to see the failure early enough to recover and move onto the next attempt before it is too late.

Yes, and he also said that people lose three businesses before they succeed. But people are afraid to fail even once because traditional education teaches students that it's bad, terrible, wrong, etc. to fail.
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