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Statement on EU-US Cooperation on Turning Public Opinion Against Encryption

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This is worth taking up with the congressional committees looking for overreach by the Biden Administration. Fill out this form, to start. [1] https://oversight.house.gov/whistle/

If you think Republicans are against eroding privacy I have a bridge to sell you.

You just have to mention how this could be used to find out who's talking about guns and what lobbyists are saying to elected officials.

Re: Statement on EU-US Cooperation on Turning Public Opinion Against Encryption

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I finished reading 1984 (the novel) yesterday, so my comments are under some influence.

This global movement against encryption -- against citizen's privacy, really -- is all about power maintenance. Power groups want to have access to our conversations so when the election period approaches, they will be able to run sentiment analysis on the data collected from our conversations, and then fine tune their election campaigns accordingly. All the current excuses about fighting organized crime, violence to children etc. are well known excuses used for many years within different context to roll out surveillance bills.

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Contrarian opinion ahead. We live in a very unique period of history - a bubble really - in which governments are not able to intercept certain communications or decrypt certain records, even with the full force of the law behind them. While I recognize and appreciate, on a personal level, the freedom that this provides me, freedom exists only to the extent that there is a government enforcing boundaries on freedom t…

There's nothing inherently wrong with anarchy, but there are plenty of things inherently wrong with totalitarianism. I really don't care how many pedophiles we catch if we continue to expand the definition of pedophiles to "everyone we don't like". Similarly, I don't care how many terrorists we catch if we motivate everyone to become a "terrorist" in the process.

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The logical conclusion to the war on general purpose computing (as currently perpetrated in the large by Apple, and spun even by people here as a worthwhile tradeoff for "security") is that computers will be replaced with appliances that can only run government-sanctioned, closed-source software. That is the only way these laws could be enforced.

> as currently perpetrated in the large by Apple, and spun even by people here as a worthwhile tradeoff for "security" See this misses the more nuanced point. I bet my last cent that everyone who doesn't want Apple's ability to meaningfully control their platform eroded would change their tune immediately if we had a regulatory environment that had any teeth whatsoever when it comes to policing malicious software. Pe…

> I bet my last cent that everyone who doesn't want Apple's ability to meaningfully control their platform eroded would change their tune immediately if we had a regulatory environment that had any teeth whatsoever when it comes to policing malicious software.

I definitely would change my mind. The complete lack of any effective protections against bad actors is the sole reason I'm willing to tolerate what Apple is doing with the iOS App Store.

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I have no problem with the police hacking into devices. They have the right to use bugs and find exploits just like they have the right to pick a safe of force a door. But backdoors and unacceptable, that's like mandating that every house have microphones in every room connected to the police center

1984 was a warning, not a manual! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telescreen

I finished reading the book yesterday. I truly believe Orwell was a time traveler. (joke) The parallels between Oceania and some nations of the world nowadays is infinite.

Re: Statement on EU-US Cooperation on Turning Public Opinion Against Encryption

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I finished reading 1984 (the novel) yesterday, so my comments are under some influence. This global movement against encryption -- against citizen's privacy, really -- is all about power maintenance. Power groups want to have access to our conversations so when the election period approaches, they will be able to run sentiment analysis on the data collected from our conversations, and then fine tune their election ca…

I'd disagree. Democracy in the US is already extremely well controlled. You only have two realistic options, and the primary that led to those two options is fairly undemocratic. Between gerrymandering, citizens united, private control over corporate news, and a million other things, meaningful democracy may as well be dead (or perhaps never existed).

Control over encryption is overwhelmingly about those in power keeping others out of power. If you have access to all of your opponent's communications because you're already the president, there's really nothing the opponent can do to balance things out. Any grassroots movement to displace you and your government would never get off the ground - they'd be arrested before they could even organize, since the entirety of your comms is available to the establishment.

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I don't think prohibitions on child porn and drugs have anything to do with taxes.

A law prohibiting child porn would make child porn illegal, not monitor my transactions and prevent encryption. That’s called the redistribution of consequences.

Generally merely declaring something to be illegal does not stop it. In most cases it also requires catching people that are doing it and successfully convicting them.

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> Interesting how our leaders see their role not as representing our interests, but in shaping our interests. Someone called it "Manufacturing consent". I think this name describes it pretty good. What these politicians do not seem to underestand is that those law may turn against them at a later point in time.

"Manifacturing Consent" is a book written by Edward S. Herman and Noam Chomsky. They discuss the propaganda model of communication in much broader sense.

The Century of Self is a BBC documentary about Bernays and his propaganda models. It's quite good and available on yt.

Re: Statement on EU-US Cooperation on Turning Public Opinion Against Encryption

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post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Manifacturing Consent" is a book written by Edward S. Herman and Noam Chomsky. They discuss the propaganda model of communication in much broader sense.

"Die vierte Gewalt – Wie Mehrheitsmeinung gemacht wird, auch wenn sie keine ist" https://www.fischerverlage.de/buch/richard-david-precht-hara...

Richard David Precht is a poor caricature of a French public intellectual figure and loves to create outrage to stay relevant. He lives off the same mainstream media that he criticizes.

Re: Statement on EU-US Cooperation on Turning Public Opinion Against Encryption

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Interesting how our leaders see their role not as representing our interests, but in shaping our interests. There exists an entire subject in political science dealing with how to increase compliance with the schemes of regulators (see Nudge Theory). The mistake they make is a classic short-run vs. long-run miscalculation. In the short-run, you can get away with these kinds of tactics to increase compliance. For exam…

> Interesting how our leaders see their role not as representing our interests, but in shaping our interests.

Not in shaping our interests, but the interests of the 'deplorables', the people who disagree and who they see as beneath them.

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