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Statement on EU-US Cooperation on Turning Public Opinion Against Encryption

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Re: Statement on EU-US Cooperation on Turning Public Opinion Against Encryption

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Post by flangola7 »

CircleSpokes wrote: post #100
codedokode wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What about banning end-to-end encryption while keeping client-server encryption (like Telegram or Apple does)? If people are not allowed to transfer money anonymously, why allow them communicate anonymously?

> If people are not allowed to transfer money anonymously, why allow them communicate anonymously? You can do that in the US though with cash. There might be some transactions that you can't do in physical cash but that is more of a practical/convince limitation and not a legal one.

That cash will not be anonymous for long once you deposit it, between mandatory reporting and serial number records.

Re: Statement on EU-US Cooperation on Turning Public Opinion Against Encryption

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Post by germinalphrase »

dekken_ wrote: post #47
ugurnot wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Manifacturing Consent" is a book written by Edward S. Herman and Noam Chomsky. They discuss the propaganda model of communication in much broader sense.

Don't forget about > "The Engineering of Consent" is an essay by Edward Bernays first published in 1947,

“Crystallizing Public Opinion” (1923) is another important Bernays text.

Re: Statement on EU-US Cooperation on Turning Public Opinion Against Encryption

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Post by flangola7 »

alphanullmeric wrote: post #87
kevviiinn wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But you aren't answering the question, if a program for people in poverty isn't funded by society as a whole, are you having the people in poverty fund it because they're the ones who use it? Your argument seems to break down under examination

I answered the question before it was asked. If you want such a program to exist, you pay for it. If your idea is to make me pay for it, you don’t believe in paying your fair share. Whether or not it is practical to follow my rule to the absolute is a different question. I’m just tired of hearing the fair share people justify not paying their fair share.

> I’m just tired of hearing the fair share people justify not paying their fair share.

I frankly have no idea who you are talking about. You're going to have to elaborate because right now it sounds like a cheap strawman.

Re: Statement on EU-US Cooperation on Turning Public Opinion Against Encryption

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Post by WarOnPrivacy »

2-718-281-828 wrote: post #97
fatcat500 wrote: post #19

Interesting how our leaders see their role not as representing our interests, but in shaping our interests. There exists an entire subject in political science dealing with how to increase compliance with the schemes of regulators (see Nudge Theory). The mistake they make is a classic short-run vs. long-run miscalculation. In the short-run, you can get away with these kinds of tactics to increase compliance. For exam…

> Interesting how our leaders see their role not as representing our interests, but in shaping our interests. I mean that's what "leader" means at the end of the day. Of course, though, leader isn't the only way to refer to politicians. In German leader translates literally to Führer ... which isn't really used since the ultimate demise of Herr Schickelgruber. We also use "Repräsentant" whose English counterpart is o…

>> Interesting how our leaders see their role not as representing our interests, but in shaping our interests.

> I mean that's what "leader" means at the end of the day.

I disagree with this sentence.

Many minor leadership positions and a generation of parenting taught me that leadership is an act of service. My purpose is to help coordinate the fulfillment of others' needs. If I ever forget that, I will have lost my way.

Re: Statement on EU-US Cooperation on Turning Public Opinion Against Encryption

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Post by Slava_Propanei »

2-718-281-828 wrote: post #97
fatcat500 wrote: post #19

Interesting how our leaders see their role not as representing our interests, but in shaping our interests. There exists an entire subject in political science dealing with how to increase compliance with the schemes of regulators (see Nudge Theory). The mistake they make is a classic short-run vs. long-run miscalculation. In the short-run, you can get away with these kinds of tactics to increase compliance. For exam…

> Interesting how our leaders see their role not as representing our interests, but in shaping our interests. I mean that's what "leader" means at the end of the day. Of course, though, leader isn't the only way to refer to politicians. In German leader translates literally to Führer ... which isn't really used since the ultimate demise of Herr Schickelgruber. We also use "Repräsentant" whose English counterpart is o…

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Re: Statement on EU-US Cooperation on Turning Public Opinion Against Encryption

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Post by chimpanzee »

dmbche wrote: post #70
alphanullmeric wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But that would mean the “pay your fair share” people would actually have to pay their fair share, which they will never support. We all know that the fair share is a percentage of someone else’s income you feel entitled to and not a fee proportional to the amount of state services you use.

Could you clarify who the pay-your-fair-share people are? Not a jab, I'm just unclear on what you mean.

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