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Windows 11’s taskbar is finally getting labels and never combine app icons

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Re: Windows 11’s taskbar is finally getting labels and never combine app icons

#51

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> win11 is a completely new program It’s barely a UI skin! It’s not even complete or self-consistent, and the original Win10 skin is still there under it, feature-complete. People noticed that certain boot failures of Win 11 bring back the original Win 10 look! It’s basically a “Mac mod” for Windows made by a bunch of Apple users working within Microsoft.

Ironically, one of the qualities of the Mac is the consistency of the interface styling and UX irrespective of how specifically the task bar works, while Microsoft just keep adding layer on top of layer so that depending on which bit of the system you are in you get UI styles ranging from win11 through win2000 (plus, if you dig, a whole bunch of pixel art icons from win98).

At one point that was just quaint, now it's getting ridiculous.

Re: Windows 11’s taskbar is finally getting labels and never combine app icons

#52
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I used Windows server 2022 for first time today on a vps. It's what I imagine we all want windows to be. Just simple Windows 10ish ui without all the fluff. I imagine its very stable too given its for servers. Reminds me of Windows 2000 I ran on my Pentium 2. Does anyone just use Windows sever 2022 on their desktop? Why not?

The equivalent OS for desktops is the Windows 11 Long Term Servicing Channel (LTSC) release, which is what you described but with desktop pricing and a few minor differences. I once used an older LTSC version for a virtual desktop fleet because it’s a lot better behaved at scale. You don’t want to use a “normal” release because Microsoft will randomly push a critical 4 gigabyte update… to Minecraft. When 60K VMs upda…

Wait, they released the windows 11 LTSC?! or was that a typo? Because I actually really like windows 11 as an OS, I just hate the stuff that comes with the pro version (ads, weird update patterns, driver updates that override your manually installed drivers...). Windows 11 LTSC would be awesome, but from what I read on the Windows blogs, Microsoft doesn't seem to like the whole concept of an LTSC release anymore.

Re: Windows 11’s taskbar is finally getting labels and never combine app icons

#53
post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> on the other the endless sea of enterprise customers representing a burden for compatibility Ah, those users. Users who want their OS to stay firmly in the background and let them get on with their jobs, and who aren't actually that bothered about "feature" upgrades every month or three. Something is very wrong with a business when a big proportion of the customer base is viewed as a burden on the product.

The problem with pleasing old costumers is that you might fail to gain new customers. Microsoft is mostly conservative with its OS, while Apple is not afraid to cut off features it consideres outdated. And the MacOS market share has increased strongly over the last ~20 years.

You can solve this problem with branding. Have a "Windows OS Bleeding Edge" brand that changes regularly. Have "Windows OS LTS" brand that changes less often.

Re: Windows 11’s taskbar is finally getting labels and never combine app icons

#54

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> how bad was the win10 task bar codebase Well, in Windows 10 there's at least 4 different styles of context-menu in the Taskbar depending on where you click - so given that, I'm guessing it's a bit of a mess. 1. Right-click the Start button or empty space on the Taskbar: Win32 (USER32?) standard menu, but with a custom dark background and extra menu-item padding to make them touch-friendly. Earlier versions of Windo…

But is this fixed in win11? From what others tell me the win11 is actually just another skin on the same code. You can still find plenty of UI styles from previous windows in win11

Most of Windows 11 is indeed just a reskin, however the taskbar has been completely rewritten and isn't coupled to explorer.exe anymore, being it's own WinUI application.

Re: Windows 11’s taskbar is finally getting labels and never combine app icons

#55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The equivalent OS for desktops is the Windows 11 Long Term Servicing Channel (LTSC) release, which is what you described but with desktop pricing and a few minor differences. I once used an older LTSC version for a virtual desktop fleet because it’s a lot better behaved at scale. You don’t want to use a “normal” release because Microsoft will randomly push a critical 4 gigabyte update… to Minecraft. When 60K VMs upda…

Wait, they released the windows 11 LTSC?! or was that a typo? Because I actually really like windows 11 as an OS, I just hate the stuff that comes with the pro version (ads, weird update patterns, driver updates that override your manually installed drivers...). Windows 11 LTSC would be awesome, but from what I read on the Windows blogs, Microsoft doesn't seem to like the whole concept of an LTSC release anymore.

Microsoft likes to delay LTSC availability longer and longer in a futile attempt to wean customers off it. They just don't understand why not everybody likes to take the abuse they dish out.

Re: Windows 11’s taskbar is finally getting labels and never combine app icons

#56

I hope they are also going to add support for left/top alignment of the icons (the classic way), for removal of left&right margins in centered alignment (Mac way) so places to the left and right of the icons would be free screen space rather than empty panel area, good support for horizontal panel placing, turn system icons (unmount device, network indicators, sound volume&output control, keyboard layout indicator, c…

Fix: I meant good support for vertical panel placing. Horizontal obviously has always been reasonably good. Vertical has always been more or less ugly and I am not sure if it is supported in Windows 11 at all.

Re: Windows 11’s taskbar is finally getting labels and never combine app icons

#57

Amazing, only 2 years to implement a feature you had already. What was so problematic about the Windows 10 taskbar that they had to completely scrap it and start from zero??

Slow clap for windows 11 taskbar! Now…. When will they bring back the ability to park your taskbar vertically on the left hand side? Another 2 years?

I've been using valinet/ExplorerPatcher on Win11 for a bit just to bring back all the old Win10 taskbar stuff. I know we should even need this, but I hope this is helpful.

https://github.com/valinet/ExplorerPatcher

Re: Windows 11’s taskbar is finally getting labels and never combine app icons

#58
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post #31

I used Windows server 2022 for first time today on a vps. It's what I imagine we all want windows to be. Just simple Windows 10ish ui without all the fluff. I imagine its very stable too given its for servers. Reminds me of Windows 2000 I ran on my Pentium 2. Does anyone just use Windows sever 2022 on their desktop? Why not?

> Just simple Windows 10ish ui without all the fluff. Windows 10 UI is far more confusing than Windows 7, with the new and old configuration dialogs.

Windows 7 was the last Windows UI I didn't hate. With the exception of Task Manager, which was seriously spiffed up, there's very little about Windows 10 that I prefer over Windows 7, and a whole lot that's objectively worse.

Re: Windows 11’s taskbar is finally getting labels and never combine app icons

#59

Amazing, only 2 years to implement a feature you had already. What was so problematic about the Windows 10 taskbar that they had to completely scrap it and start from zero??

Slow clap for windows 11 taskbar! Now…. When will they bring back the ability to park your taskbar vertically on the left hand side? Another 2 years?

Using startallback for this, no excuse for Microsoft but it seriously improved my windows 11 experience.

Re: Windows 11’s taskbar is finally getting labels and never combine app icons

#60
post #4

Never Combine and Only Combine when Full. Two missing features that were literally keeping me from upgrading to 11.

I quite literally paid for a third-party app (StartAllBack) to do this for me (amongst other things).

Great app, highly recommended and with 100 days trial on top of being super cheap
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