shouldn't it be "UK threatens end to end-to-end encryption"? :-D
To what end?
UK Threatens End-to-End Encryption
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#82The UK has threatened this on and off for a while. I recall around 2000 they proposed a bill which would have forced everyone who wanted to use encryption to escrow a key with the government. I used to watch some TV in those days and the UK programme "NewsNight" had a discussion about it. There proposing the idea was some poor government flunky. There explaining the flaws in the idea was Whitfield Diffie[1]. Diffie j…
> UK programme "NewsNight" had a discussion about it. There proposing the idea was some poor government flunky. There explaining the flaws in the idea was Whitfield Diffie Aah, the good old days when the BBC was un-biased. These days you would get a government flunky, and on the other side of the table a pro-government flunky from a lobbying outfit whose real accreditation has been carefully omitted by the BBC and th…
> Aah, the good old days when the BBC was un-biased.
I'm curious, around when do you think that changed? And was there a specific story they reported on (or didn't report on) that really solidified the change for you?
Re: UK Threatens End-to-End Encryption
#83The UK has threatened this on and off for a while. I recall around 2000 they proposed a bill which would have forced everyone who wanted to use encryption to escrow a key with the government. I used to watch some TV in those days and the UK programme "NewsNight" had a discussion about it. There proposing the idea was some poor government flunky. There explaining the flaws in the idea was Whitfield Diffie[1]. Diffie j…
> It would be essentially infinitely valuable as a cyberattack target. While I understand what you mean, there are already keys which are "infinitely valuable": root CA keys. If you have those, you can essentially impersonate anyone. Therefore, we must have ways to protect these sort of keys. That being said, a root CA key is probably locked up on an air gapped machine vs some machine which actively using the key to…
but there are multiple roots
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#84Earlier quoted context omitted.
The king doesn’t really have any power in practice, I think the royal family mainly exist for tradition/tourism reasons at this point At least according to https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy_Index it’s one of the most democratic countries at 18th in the world (to be fair that’s made by a UK company but I don’t see why they would be biased)
> The [monarch] doesn’t really have any power in practice Entirely untrue. The monarch has a weekly meeting with the Prime Minister. There have been many cases of the Queen getting carveouts, influencing laws, and vetting bills. There is no law forbidding the monarch from not granting Royal Assent. This notion that the British monarch has no power is an absolute farce. There’s also the whole concept of King’s Consent…
Also the command-in-chief of UK and other Commonweath militaries?
Canada: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commander-in-Chief_of_the_Cana...
As all executive power is legally reposed in the Crown, the role of commander-in-chief is the only constitutional means by which decisions are made over the deployment and disposition of the Canadian Armed Forces.[6] Under the Westminster system's conventions of responsible government, the cabinet—which advises the sovereign or his viceroy on the exercise of the executive powers—generally exercises the Crown prerogative powers relating to the Canadian forces.[6][7] Still, all declarations of war are issued with the approval, and in the name, of the monarch and must be signed by either the sovereign or the governor general, as was done with the proclamation that declared Canada at war with Nazi Germany, issued on September 10, 1939; it stated: "Whereas by and with the advice of Our Privy Council for Canada, We have signified Our Approval for the issue of a Proclamation in the Canada Gazette declaring that a State of War with the German Reich exists and has existed in Our Dominion of Canada as and from the tenth day of September, 1939."
Australia: http://classic.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/cth/consol_act/coaca4...
COMMONWEALTH OF AUSTRALIA CONSTITUTION ACT - SECT 68.
Command of naval and military forces.
The command in chief of the naval and military forces of the Commonwealth is vested in the Governor-General as the Queen's representative.
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#85Earlier quoted context omitted.
I’m sorry but this is a very simplistic take. The King has no meaningful power at all, MPs have power over the Lords and they are democratically elected. I’m not for a second saying the system is wonderful and beyond reproach. But suggesting it’s equivalent to an autocracy or something is just flat out wrong. If you want to complain about the U.K. political system complain about first past the post or the creeping an…
if a voter ID is free and requires no effort on the citizens part, how is it anti-democratic? is this to say that all IDs are anti-democratic?
> if a voter ID is free and requires no effort on the citizens part
That alone is a big "if". Getting an ID rarely requires no effort. But the bigger question above all that is why do it anyway? Why do anything to make it harder to vote? There is little to no evidence of voter fraud taking place in the UK (or US for that matter), certainly never on a scale that would come close to affecting the outcome of an election. Every time the number of people who would be unable to vote (even just because they've lost their ID) eclipses the number of fraudulent votes that would supposedly be caught.
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#86UK to end end-to end? To what end?
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#87Earlier quoted context omitted.
The fact that we regard as "democratic" (because they are good guys, or so we'd wish) a country with king and lords (even a House of Lords, or even "Lords Spiritual" [1]), is the greater joke. [1] Just a random click https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_members_of_the_House_o... on the Bishop of Chichester https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bishop_of_Chichester#List_of_b... reveals a list of bishops going back as far as…
I think a lot of non-Brits hear "House of Lords" and think you have to have been born in a castle with a coat of arms. Whilst that may be true in the case of the hereditary peers (which are the minority in the HoL), there are also Life Peers. Some of these are ex/failed politicians, but some are appointed on the basis of their eminence in their field [1] or public works [2] [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Wi…
I know, I just like long hereditary lines [1]: if those don't show what power is, then I don't know what power is. Being hoi polloi myself, I barely know who my grandparents were, not to speak of their parents.
[1] A really fun one: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baron_of_Dunsany#Barons_of_Dun...
Christopher Plunkett, 1st Baron of Dunsany (1410–1463)
Richard Plunkett, 2nd Baron of Dunsany (died c. 1480)
John Plunkett, 3rd Baron of Dunsany (died 1500)
Edward Plunkett, 4th Baron of Dunsany (died 1521)
Robert Plunkett, 5th Baron of Dunsany (died 1559)
Christopher Plunkett, 6th Baron of Dunsany (died 1564)
Patrick Plunkett, 7th Baron of Dunsany (died 1601)
Christopher Plunkett, 8th Baron of Dunsany (died 1603)
Patrick Plunkett, 9th Baron of Dunsany (1595–1668)
Christopher Plunkett, 10th Baron of Dunsany (died 1690)
Randall Plunkett, 11th Baron of Dunsany (died 1735)
Edward Plunkett, 12th Baron of Dunsany (1713–1781)
Randall Plunkett, 13th Baron of Dunsany (1739–1821)
Edward Wadding Plunkett, 14th Baron of Dunsany (1773–1848)
Randall Edward Plunkett, 15th Baron of Dunsany (1804–1852)
Edward Plunkett, 16th Baron of Dunsany (1808–1889)
John William Plunkett, 17th Baron of Dunsany (1853–1899)
Edward John Moreton Drax Plunkett, 18th Baron of Dunsany (1878–1957)
Randal Arthur Henry Plunkett, 19th Baron of Dunsany (1906–1999)
Edward John Carlos Plunkett, 20th Baron of Dunsany (1939–2011)
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#88To ban end-to-end encryption you effectively need to ban math. Even if all messaging apps will remove built-in encryption function you can still use e2ee in your keyboard app or something that would seamlessly decrypt incoming messages and encrypt outgoing messages on the fly.
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#89Earlier quoted context omitted.
The king doesn’t really have any power in practice, I think the royal family mainly exist for tradition/tourism reasons at this point At least according to https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy_Index it’s one of the most democratic countries at 18th in the world (to be fair that’s made by a UK company but I don’t see why they would be biased)
> The [monarch] doesn’t really have any power in practice Entirely untrue. The monarch has a weekly meeting with the Prime Minister. There have been many cases of the Queen getting carveouts, influencing laws, and vetting bills. There is no law forbidding the monarch from not granting Royal Assent. This notion that the British monarch has no power is an absolute farce. There’s also the whole concept of King’s Consent…
'There is no law forbidding the monarch from not granting Royal Assent'. True but I await the day that happens! The Brits don't go in for revolution but there'd be all hell to pay if this occurred. It would likely mark the beginning of the end for the House of Windsor. Anti-monarchists should hope such a thing comes to pass.
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#90Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don’t like this argument because it makes the subject in question overly abstract in a way that would not apply in other situations. Examples: “How dare you make me become a licensed engineer just to be paid to do math?” “How dare you arrest me for this child porn? It’s just a sequence of 1s and 0s, therefore, you are criminalizing a number!”
Interesting times ahead. I would assume that child porn is illegal because it's production harms children. When we can synthesise it without child involvement, what are the reasons for banning it? It becomes on the same level as gore movies, kink adult porn or any fictional perversion book. It's up to consumer to choose to consume it or not. And at the end everything mentioned before can be turned to 1 and 0. So shou…
FWIW, my reaction to the side-of-a-bus adverts for Saw franchise films in the UK was visceral disgust that there exist enough people who would buy tickets on the basis of those adverts to justify the existence of the adverts, let alone the films themselves — if I thought banning them would actually make any difference, I would call for exactly that!
I don't know of human psychology really works like the toy model in my head (probably not, typical mind fallacy), but that's a separate thing to my own affect.