UK Threatens End-to-End Encryption

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Post by mikece » Mon, Apr 24, 2023, 11:52 AM UTC

UK Threatens End-to-End Encryption
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Re: UK Threatens End-to-End Encryption

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Post by canbus » Mon, Apr 24, 2023, 12:35 PM UTC

shouldn't it be "UK threatens end to end-to-end encryption"? :-D

Re: UK Threatens End-to-End Encryption

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Post by LeonB » Mon, Apr 24, 2023, 12:42 PM UTC

canbus wrote: post #2

shouldn't it be "UK threatens end to end-to-end encryption"? :-D

Reminds me of this famous sentence from puzzles/logic legend Martin Gardner:

“Wouldn’t the sentence ‘I want to put a hyphen between the words Fish and And and And and Chips in my Fish-And-Chips sign’ have been clearer if quotation marks had been placed before Fish, and between Fish and and, and and and And, and And and and, and and and And, and And and and, and and and Chips, as well as after Chips?”

Re: UK Threatens End-to-End Encryption

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Post by nicwest » Mon, Apr 24, 2023, 12:43 PM UTC

canbus wrote: post #2

shouldn't it be "UK threatens end to end-to-end encryption"? :-D

then when they back down we could have "UK threats to end end-to-end encryption end"

Re: UK Threatens End-to-End Encryption

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Post by lnxg33k1 » Mon, Apr 24, 2023, 12:44 PM UTC

LeonB wrote: post #3

canbus wrote: post #2

shouldn't it be "UK threatens end to end-to-end encryption"? :-D

Reminds me of this famous sentence from puzzles/logic legend Martin Gardner: “Wouldn’t the sentence ‘I want to put a hyphen between the words Fish and And and And and Chips in my Fish-And-Chips sign’ have been clearer if quotation marks had been placed before Fish, and between Fish and and, and and and And, and And and and, and and and And, and And and and, and and and Chips, as well as after Chips?”

"What is this? The requirements were so clear and even written down!"

Re: UK Threatens End-to-End Encryption

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Post by gpderetta » Mon, Apr 24, 2023, 12:44 PM UTC

nicwest wrote: post #4

canbus wrote: post #2

shouldn't it be "UK threatens end to end-to-end encryption"? :-D

then when they back down we could have "UK threats to end end-to-end encryption end"

UK to end ending end-to-end encryption.

Re: UK Threatens End-to-End Encryption

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Post by raverbashing » Mon, Apr 24, 2023, 12:44 PM UTC

LeonB wrote: post #3

canbus wrote: post #2

shouldn't it be "UK threatens end to end-to-end encryption"? :-D

Reminds me of this famous sentence from puzzles/logic legend Martin Gardner: “Wouldn’t the sentence ‘I want to put a hyphen between the words Fish and And and And and Chips in my Fish-And-Chips sign’ have been clearer if quotation marks had been placed before Fish, and between Fish and and, and and and And, and And and and, and and and And, and And and and, and and and Chips, as well as after Chips?”

Metalanguages examples like this are the 'ELI5' example to Gödel's incompleteness theorem

Re: UK Threatens End-to-End Encryption

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Post by xyzzy4747 » Mon, Apr 24, 2023, 12:47 PM UTC

Ending encryption is like ending math. It's not possible and just moves the developers more into the underground. It could likely cause regulatory arbitrage situations too (e.g. developers create apps for other countries but determined people in the U.K. find a way to access them).

Re: UK Threatens End-to-End Encryption

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Post by dghf » Mon, Apr 24, 2023, 12:47 PM UTC

I'm sure we had legislative threats to encryption under Cameron, and Blair, and quite possibly every prime minister between.

I'm uncertain whether to be relieved (because multiple previous attempts have come to naught) or worried (because they might actually do it this time).

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Post by [deleted] » Mon, Apr 24, 2023, 12:50 PM UTC

dghf wrote: post #9

I'm sure we had legislative threats to encryption under Cameron, and Blair, and quite possibly every prime minister between. I'm uncertain whether to be relieved (because multiple previous attempts have come to naught) or worried (because they might actually do it this time).

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