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“By that standard, the UK, Spain and France are also in civil wars.” Nice try. How do these compare at all to the Ukraine Donbas conflict? During the span of 2014-2022, the war in Ukraine (pre Russian invasion) between Ukraine and Donbas region resulted in the following: Ukraine troops 4,647 killed, 70 missing, 13,800–14,200 wounded Donbas troops 6,517 killed, 15,800–16,200 wounded 3,404 Ukrainian civilians killed 14…

> During the span of 2014-2022, the war in Ukraine (pre Russian invasion) The Russian invasion began in 2014. How do you think these 'separatists' got Russian anti air equipment and Russian MBT's?.

By that definition, the US invasion began in 2014 too. Who do you think primarily supplied Ukraine with weapons and training?

https://www.npr.org/2019/12/18/788874844/how-u-s-military-ai...

Re: Russia killed its tech industry

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> During the span of 2014-2022, the war in Ukraine (pre Russian invasion) The Russian invasion began in 2014. How do you think these 'separatists' got Russian anti air equipment and Russian MBT's?.

By that definition, the US invasion began in 2014 too. Who do you think primarily supplied Ukraine with weapons and training? https://www.npr.org/2019/12/18/788874844/how-u-s-military-ai...

No, Russia literally had military presence in Ukraine by 2014, see the occupation of Crimea.

Re: Russia killed its tech industry

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There never was any real high tech industry. Everything good was done in gulags which my Russian schoolbook called "Nauki Gorods" ie science towns. Everything else was substandard garbage. However under harsh military rule labor camps work well to produce high tech. German V2-rockets and Curta calculators prove that. But there is time limit for that. You will run out of people.

What you stated is false. Labor camps ("sharashki") and science towns are two different things from different "soviet epochs".

However it's true that soviets failed "consumer IT".

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“Some 70% of the information on Yandex News was coming from state-controlled media sources pushing propaganda” This article reads like US propaganda. “Russia imposed increasingly restrictive laws, arresting social media users over posts, demanding access to user data, and introducing content filtering.” The US performs similar actions. The Twitter files have shown demanding access and content filtering by the governm…

> The Twitter files have shown demanding access and content filtering by the government with Twitter and likely other social networks. They show no such thing if you actually read the content, of course the person hired by Elon (Matt Taibbi), who can't even criticise him for the most simplest and basic things is not going to write an article saying he is wrong. You have to wonder what is in Taibbi's contract with Mus…

Your view on the content of the Twitter files is false. There were clear communications demonstrated by the investigation including the hiring of an FBI lawyer as a top legal employee of Twitter.

Further, Taibbi and Musk are currently feuding over Musk trying to strongarm Taibbi into using Twitter instead of Substack. Taibbi has openly criticized Musk for this and is no longer associated with new dumps from Twitter. Taibbi is a credible journalist and is one of the few willing to expose major corruption within the government and corporate realms. We need more like him.

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As a russian dev who actually stayed in Russia I find it both hilarious and sad that this horrible piece of propaganda found a way to MIT Tech Review. Firstly, how many IT workers fled the country is an interesting question with no definite answer. We have some figures from "ministry of IT" which Masha linked. She conveniently forgot to add that 80% of IT workers who left actually continued to work for Russia. Admitt…

> We have some figures from "ministry of IT" which Masha linked

Even judging by the official numbers, 100k is a lot of professionals in a rapidly slowing down economy in the need of said professionals. Unofficial numbers range up to 1 mil total left with 500.000 of them being from tech sector. Possibly even worse than official numbers that are always a conviniently crafted lie, like it was in 2020 with covid death downscaled 2 times.

> She conveniently forgot to add that 80% of IT workers who left actually continued to work for Russia

But not participating in russian economy directly and in futurre possibly working on local tech sector projects and not russian ones. It is not a 1 year story, we are in a long haul

> some experienced IT guys left the country juniors and interns are in insane competition for jobs

That somehow disproves the point? That the tech sector lost its best heads so now they struggle to replace them with other professionals for high qualification jobs which juniors arent ready for? Besides its not just tech sector, the whole russian economy is shrinking rapidly. Even in non-technical positions there were changes with layoffs, lower pay, half-schedules and unpaid leaves [1]

> IT guys are exempted from the draft

The fact that it is even mentioned is . Yes, thats what people are running from for either reason (to not be killed, not kill or both). And tech sector is the closest to internationally viable opportunity so it had the most people leave

> Yandex censored search and news results before

True, since about 2011 as mentioned in the link but way noticeably since 2016. Yet while it was censoring results, it wasnt a blanked war time censorship on anything opposing the government. You could've searched for meduza and dozhd. Now you cant

> AI department, AI assistants

All scaled down because of the sanctions [2][3] and leaving professionals. They wont dissapear just because, but they also wont grow as much.

> Durov reached an agreement with the russian government

The agreement was that TG would stay in that gray zone indefinitely using alternative financing sources like crypto scams and later ads and subscribtion. Gray zone means nobody can censor it, neither russians, nor nato/otan. And this is preferable to russia than local-only service like vk (because of said radicals in other countries). Yes, some people will still access some anti-gvmt channels, but its a minority. Propaganda already changed the nation into 1/4 lunatics supporting the war and 2/4 "having no opinion"

> there are no compelling arguments that "Russia killed its tech industry"

That it drove away more professionals while disconnecting itself from global economy that helped prosper said tech sector in the first place? Sure, okay, mhm

> It worsenes the chances to understand each other

Guys, you dont understand, full controll over your population with military ideology and silencing any opposition is actually good. Look at all the achievements USSR has made while being same totalitarian regime. Just ignore the quality of life for majority of the time under communism, look, we have a first person in space. It costed us just most other economic sectors like computers, farming equipment, production machinery, car industry, trains industry, local municipalities growth in general and developing independent culture

[1] https://lenta.ru/news/2022/08/04/platformasravni/ [2] https://www.vedomosti.ru/technology/articles/2022/09/02/9387... [3] https://www.rbc.ru/technology_and_media/23/06/2022/62b473de9...

Re: Russia killed its tech industry

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Russians outside Russia for the last 100 years have contributed literature, music, movies, and helped to introduce Russian cultural aspects to the West. In the past 30 years this only accelerated. Even before this war there were huge numbers of Russian intellectuals, artists, etc living in the West, but contributing to Russian culture.

I’ve been reading a lot of books in Russian, watched lots of movies and attended a lot of contemporary art exhibitions in Moscow and St.Petersburg. I’m struggling to find any traces of such contribution of emigrant communities in the last 30 years (well, maybe Akunin or Sorokin?). There are a few names from Soviet times, but they represent a fraction of what’s been happening and emigrants usually reflect on the past.

It is true that in the last 30 Russia has been absorbing American, particularly African American culture as far as music, movies, and dress are concerned. Russian culture in Russia is in decline generally.

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Do you have any insight to how other educated Russians feel?

I don't like to speak for others, but the educated Russians I'm in touch with are universally against this invasion.

Does that include those in Moscow and St Petersburg? On what grounds are they opposed?

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I’ve been reading a lot of books in Russian, watched lots of movies and attended a lot of contemporary art exhibitions in Moscow and St.Petersburg. I’m struggling to find any traces of such contribution of emigrant communities in the last 30 years (well, maybe Akunin or Sorokin?). There are a few names from Soviet times, but they represent a fraction of what’s been happening and emigrants usually reflect on the past.

It is true that in the last 30 Russia has been absorbing American, particularly African American culture as far as music, movies, and dress are concerned. Russian culture in Russia is in decline generally.

Russian culture is whatever Russians are up to. It cannot be in decline while accepting and digesting new stuff at the same time.

Re: Russia killed its tech industry

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As a russian dev who actually stayed in Russia I find it both hilarious and sad that this horrible piece of propaganda found a way to MIT Tech Review. Firstly, how many IT workers fled the country is an interesting question with no definite answer. We have some figures from "ministry of IT" which Masha linked. She conveniently forgot to add that 80% of IT workers who left actually continued to work for Russia. Admitt…

> We have some figures from "ministry of IT" which Masha linked Even judging by the official numbers, 100k is a lot of professionals in a rapidly slowing down economy in the need of said professionals. Unofficial numbers range up to 1 mil total left with 500.000 of them being from tech sector. Possibly even worse than official numbers that are always a conviniently crafted lie, like it was in 2020 with covid death do…

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Re: Russia killed its tech industry

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The Twitter files have shown demanding access and content filtering by the government with Twitter and likely other social networks. They show no such thing if you actually read the content, of course the person hired by Elon (Matt Taibbi), who can't even criticise him for the most simplest and basic things is not going to write an article saying he is wrong. You have to wonder what is in Taibbi's contract with Mus…

Your view on the content of the Twitter files is false. There were clear communications demonstrated by the investigation including the hiring of an FBI lawyer as a top legal employee of Twitter. Further, Taibbi and Musk are currently feuding over Musk trying to strongarm Taibbi into using Twitter instead of Substack. Taibbi has openly criticized Musk for this and is no longer associated with new dumps from Twitter.…

> Taibbi is a credible journalist and is one of the few willing to expose major corruption within the government and corporate realms. We need more like him.

Why the super secret contract then?, why the unwillingness to criticise musk on some of the even simplest things?.

His debate with Mehdi Hasan was very telling.

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