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Re: YouTube, the jewel of the internet

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Post by Cthulhu_ »

hiepph wrote: post #364
JKCalhoun wrote: post #182

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I am hooked as well. (But, please, stop with the YouTube Shorts, I'm just not that into you.)

I don't exactly know where this Shorts trend came from (I guess Tiktok?) but it really destroys the generation / has bad impact. My attention span is encouraged to shrink to only 15 seconds.

And "our" generation has already had its attention span reduced, not even on purpose but from e.g. having access to fast internet & multiple tabs. I can't read a book on programming back to back (I don't think I ever could btw), it's good enough for me to google it to find a solution for the one problem I'm trying to solve at this time.

But I do miss out on in-depth knowledge of a library or language that way. But there is no value in gaining said in-depth knowledge when the stack & libraries I work with changes every couple of months or years.

Re: YouTube, the jewel of the internet

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Post by circuit10 »

grecy wrote: post #292
exo-pla-net wrote: post #222

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They shadow ban ~100% of comments, unless they detect positive sentiment. If you express any nuance or criticism, poof, your comment is disappeared. What remains is a sea of positive, fully vapid, fully useless comments: an authoritarian dream of milquetoast public discourse.

I'm a YouTuber with a moderate channel (60k subs). Bad comments are not magically shadow banned, they go into a queue that I have to moderate. The filtering is very good, I never get false positives. Even the really, really nasty ones are there, I just get a warning before I can see them. I can, of course, choose to delete those comments and/or ban that person from commenting on my channel again. I can also choose to…

I imagine most big YouTubers can’t moderate each comment like that though, so it’s effectively the same as a shadowban in that case

Re: YouTube, the jewel of the internet

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Post by nonethewiser »

amscanne wrote: post #264
DontchaKnowit wrote: post #226

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But those channels you listed are not educational, theyre "educational" e.g. you may learn some factoids about physics are learn about some cool experience but in no way will they impart to you a deep understanding of any subject. Those sorts of edutainment style videos are not ever going to compete against say, a college degree. Now there is excellent serious educational material on youtube, stuff like khan academy,…

I don't think any of those channels are trying to replace an actual science education in any given subject. But they are certainly imparting a lot more than physics "factoids", and some are probably closer to intro lectures on specific topics intended for a general audience (done by a talented and engaging educator). It's not directly equipping the audience with professional skills for a scientific career, but it is…

But the original comment said Youtube can replace school.

> They can literally leave school and already be professionally competent. I think we’ll see them leapfrogging millennials on the career ladder because they had a youth where they could spend their entire time learning literally everything there is to know about their passion for free.

Re: YouTube, the jewel of the internet

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Post by modo_mario »

deepzn wrote: post #152
mastax wrote: post #117

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I'm glad that the home page is semi-stable because I'll often click on a video and then go back and want to queue up another that looked interesting but if it were gone it might be hard to find again. (Yes there are strategies to work around this but I don't always use them). They do have the "New to You" category on the home page now which you might find useful.

also being new to TikTok, I didn't realize scrolling up at first would refresh the queue of videos. And I would lose the vid being watched which was a bit terrifying to lose an interesting video.

It's discoverable at least and I can look past it given tiktok does a bunch of other stuff so much better than it's competitors. What's a lot less forgivable is how undiscoverable your actual watch history is in case you do want to go back to that one vid. Litterally have to search for * or the like.

Re: YouTube, the jewel of the internet

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Post by nonethewiser »

echelon wrote: post #360
DontchaKnowit wrote: post #226

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But those channels you listed are not educational, theyre "educational" e.g. you may learn some factoids about physics are learn about some cool experience but in no way will they impart to you a deep understanding of any subject. Those sorts of edutainment style videos are not ever going to compete against say, a college degree. Now there is excellent serious educational material on youtube, stuff like khan academy,…

> But those channels you listed are not educational, theyre "educational" e.g. you may learn some factoids about physics are learn about some cool experience but in no way will they impart to you a deep understanding of any subject. And that's exactly what kids need. They can wait to hone rigor and scientific intuition. As long as the interest takes root, they'll find their way. Veritasium is cut in the same cloth as…

Well that’s fine, but it falls short of the original claim that YT can replace a college education.

> They can literally leave school and already be professionally competent. I think we’ll see them leapfrogging millennials on the career ladder because they had a youth where they could spend their entire time learning literally everything there is to know about their passion for free.

I think he’s right in theory, but in reality kids just watch what’s entertaining.

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Post by nonethewiser »

mchaynes wrote: post #123
irrational wrote: post #17

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> they had a youth where they could spend their entire time learning literally everything there is to know about their passion for free I have children between the ages of 9 and 26. You know what they are passionate about? Minecraft, Mr Beast, Travel vlogs, mommy vlogs, “reality” videos, etc. I’ve tried to introduce them to science, space, programming, history, math, finance, nature, etc. content and they don’t want…

Gen Z here. I grew up on YouTube. I’m 25 now, so technically a cusper but had an iPod touch and YouTube since third grade. Videos of travel have a lot of value. I was stuck behind a desk for 4 years at my programming job. The last 7 months of travel has done so much for the rest of my entire human experience that I could never get from a textbook. Plus it’s fun to see people explore the world. We’ve been fascinated b…

> Videos of travel have a lot of value. I was stuck behind a desk for 4 years at my programming job. The last 7 months of travel has done so much for the rest of my entire human experience that I could never get from a textbook.

The last 7 months of real travel, or watching YouTube videos of travel? Feel like you’re making a big leap here.

Re: YouTube, the jewel of the internet

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Post by zelphirkalt »

rcarr wrote: post #9

I agree with the author. I just cancelled Spotify and got YouTube Premium and it was an absolutely brilliant decision. Pretty soon I’m going to cancel Netflix and Prime too and just take out the odd month subscription to a streaming service if there’s something I really want to watch. I’m probably better off watching some informative documentary on YT than I am watching Netflix anyway and if I want entertainment, the…

> It’s an awesome resource and I think Gen Z are at a massive advantage because of it. They can literally leave school and already be professionally competent. I think we’ll see them leapfrogging millennials on the career ladder because they had a youth where they could spend their entire time learning literally everything there is to know about their passion for free. No other generation in history has had such an opportunity. You were limited by your parents bank balance or the resources of your local library.

I am not against gaming, play and fun. Far from it. It is probably a necessary part of our lives. I myself put in countless hours of play into a few games that I mastered (and sometimes wish I had achieved something else instead in that time).

However, I would argue, that, while there is more educational content available at no cost (besides our privacy), there is also a lot more trash, that makes it difficult to find the really good content, that does not teach things wrong. Furthermore, there is probably no generation before Gen Z, that wasted more time with stuff that does not result in learning anything valuable.

(Take for example, how many more people are using computers (in any form) and how much bigger the ratio of people is, that still don't know how to use their machine properly. Well this is of course subjective, as I am talking from a sotfware developer perspective.)

Ultimately, only few are able to take advantage of what is available, because of mind set, motivation, and other issues in life.

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Post by hooby »

amscanne wrote: post #264
DontchaKnowit wrote: post #226

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But those channels you listed are not educational, theyre "educational" e.g. you may learn some factoids about physics are learn about some cool experience but in no way will they impart to you a deep understanding of any subject. Those sorts of edutainment style videos are not ever going to compete against say, a college degree. Now there is excellent serious educational material on youtube, stuff like khan academy,…

I don't think any of those channels are trying to replace an actual science education in any given subject. But they are certainly imparting a lot more than physics "factoids", and some are probably closer to intro lectures on specific topics intended for a general audience (done by a talented and engaging educator). It's not directly equipping the audience with professional skills for a scientific career, but it is…

@nonethewiser > But the original comment said Youtube can replace school.

Are you sure, that's what the original comment said?

I interpret the quote you posted as "they can already know everything about their passion when they leave school", which would mean that YT is not a replacement for school - but an addition to it.

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Post by NaN1352 »

mastax wrote: post #81

I'm going to go against the grain here and say my YouTube algorithm is great. Signing out of YouTube and viewing the default home page is a reminder of the horrors that lie beyond, but my little corner of it is a bit too good. There was a period of time semi-recently when the algorithm was better than my heuristics, too. I had associated too-good thumbnails with overproduced shallow clickbait videos churned out by co…

Me too but I have to constantly manage my history.

Thankfully the AppleTV app makes this easy if you click and hold in the History view you can remove single videos after watching them (so my home is not filled with lolcats).

Like, I like Courtney Ryan but I’ll never keep a video in my watch history (only Follow), otherwise I start seeing all those Tarzan-meets-Jane podcasts etc. that the author mentions.

Mainly it seems to be about keywords so you have to kinda guess what keywords go with a video and remove it from watch history if ypu dont want the algorithm to go down that route.

It’s a shame YT doesnt have a separate history for gaming and music,along with a separate "recommened" there. I would go on binges there frequently while still being able to chill in the evening on my tv with the content I expect in the Home tab. Without this I am forced to stay away from exploring music or gaming, too much watch history maintenance.

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Post by NaN1352 »

cronix wrote: post #261
JKCalhoun wrote: post #182

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I am hooked as well. (But, please, stop with the YouTube Shorts, I'm just not that into you.)

On the website I just click the X next to that section and it disappears for a month.

Yes it is then honored on the AppleTV app too.

Unfortunately they still clog up the Subscriptions feed.

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