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Re: DuckDuckGo removed the ability to filter search results

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Post by freediver »

ianstormtaylor wrote: post #126
helpfulclippy wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just a datapoint, but I feel like I do a lot of searches… I’m always looking stuff up, and I’m also in the habit of using my search engine as a lazy form of autocomplete for urls. I apparently do about 700 searches a month according to Kagi. If I were on the basic plan, I think that would mean I’d be paying $5/mo. + $0.015/search * (700-200) searches/mo. = $12.50/mo. For what search is worth to me, that seems reasona…

Yeah, I similarly felt like I did a lot of searches every day... and if I had estimated my search usage I would have said easily thousands a month. But I'm also actually in the 600–800 range it turns out. That said, I think Kagi should consider rethinking their pricing model, because the perception is what matters if it presents as a roadblock.

> That said, I think Kagi should consider rethinking their pricing model, because the perception is what matters if it presents as a roadblock.

I agree, we will get there.

Re: DuckDuckGo removed the ability to filter search results

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Post by freediver »

speedgoose wrote: post #105
geysersam wrote: post #83

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Why do you think their prices are unreasonable? Just curious. 1.5 cents per search doesn't sound expensive, although if you do 100 searches per day that's $45 per month...

It looks like they do some fair margin on top of the Microsoft Bing API: https://azure.microsoft.com/en-us/pricing/details/cognitive-... Hopefully they can get volume discounts and reduce the prices.

Actually Bing API will be $28 per 1000 searches from May 1st [1]

Kagi will remain at ~$10 (and yes we will be replacing Bing).

[1] https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/bing/apis/pricing-update

Re: DuckDuckGo removed the ability to filter search results

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Post by scrum-treats »

ReadCarlBarks wrote: post #152
xlii wrote: post #111

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I’ve been using Kagi for multiple months and due to advocacy I made few people pay for it too, but I’m completely disheartened by their business model. The whole explanation of the recent “we want to stay afloat” was weird, unexpected (price doubling with my usage, to 20$/mo) and felt untrue (ordinary user doing 30 searches per day?). I felt like it was written by Cut-Me-Own-Throat Dibbler - made sense but also very…

I've been using Brave Search as my main search engine for months, and the only issue I have with it is that it takes longer to revisit smaller sites. Depending on your queries, you may stumble upon a bunch of dead links. However, this shouldn't be a problem for most users since results for major sites are constantly updated. Brave Search also allows you to customize your search results with "Goggles". These are plain…

I like Brave Search as well. Goggles are super easy to create and manage. Brave's customizable Search Engines are also a helpful feature to further personalize the search experience.

Re: DuckDuckGo removed the ability to filter search results

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Post by mzi »

freediver wrote: post #163
manmal wrote: post #146

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I think Kagi is great, but I’m paying on the order of €10 per month and was suddenly told yesterday that I exceeded my 1k requests quota. That’s not a great way of dealing with paying customers. Google warned me multiple times before they hiked my Workspace price. I’m _this_ close to going back to DDG with the occasional Google drilldown.

1000 searches are included in the $10 plan. Currently you are offered the option to pay for additional searches at 1.5 cents per search. Not ideal we know, but someone needs to pay for those, and the notice you received is courtesy (you can also remove it). How would you handle this differently?

At least my render of the pricing page gives that 700 searches per day are included in the $10 plan, with additional searches priced at ¢1.5. So 1000 searches would be $14.5 plus conversion fee if you don't have a dollar account.

Re: DuckDuckGo removed the ability to filter search results

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Post by xigoi »

freediver wrote: post #163
manmal wrote: post #146

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think Kagi is great, but I’m paying on the order of €10 per month and was suddenly told yesterday that I exceeded my 1k requests quota. That’s not a great way of dealing with paying customers. Google warned me multiple times before they hiked my Workspace price. I’m _this_ close to going back to DDG with the occasional Google drilldown.

1000 searches are included in the $10 plan. Currently you are offered the option to pay for additional searches at 1.5 cents per search. Not ideal we know, but someone needs to pay for those, and the notice you received is courtesy (you can also remove it). How would you handle this differently?

As they said, give multiple notices in advance.

Re: DuckDuckGo removed the ability to filter search results

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Post by _a9 »

p1esk wrote: post #144
mb7733 wrote: post #47

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> Those people already left Google to use DDG. Where are they going to go now? Back to Google?

Kagi, Brave, you.com, Phind.

Been using Brave search since they released it. I used to fallback to Google but I've stopped using it recently, it has turned to absoulte crap always returning random spam or nothing at all unless I'm searching for something basic. Been falling back to Phind on dev stuff now if Brave doesnt have anything. Phind is something I would absolutely pay for when the time comes.

Re: DuckDuckGo removed the ability to filter search results

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Post by kid64 »

Who in their right mind would continue to rely on Kagi after the bait and switch? How many more "realities of the search market" will they need to learn? It amazes me that anybody would accept such an egregious betrayal, whether or not they can afford the new pricing.

Re: DuckDuckGo removed the ability to filter search results

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Post by justinclift »

freediver wrote: post #163
manmal wrote: post #146

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think Kagi is great, but I’m paying on the order of €10 per month and was suddenly told yesterday that I exceeded my 1k requests quota. That’s not a great way of dealing with paying customers. Google warned me multiple times before they hiked my Workspace price. I’m _this_ close to going back to DDG with the occasional Google drilldown.

1000 searches are included in the $10 plan. Currently you are offered the option to pay for additional searches at 1.5 cents per search. Not ideal we know, but someone needs to pay for those, and the notice you received is courtesy (you can also remove it). How would you handle this differently?

Maybe some kind of warning when getting close to the existing tier limit?

eg "You're getting close to your 1000 search limit at your current pricing (800/1000)".

I'm trying to think of better wording, but having a hard time of it. ;)

Re: DuckDuckGo removed the ability to filter search results

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Post by freediver »

easygenes wrote: post #127
ianstormtaylor wrote: post #118

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Not saying you're wrong, but they grandfathered me on the $10/mo plan with the new pricing changes, and that would cover your usage. I think on the new plans 30 searches a day would come out to $13/month. I know it may sound like a lot (and definitely is a lot for some folks), but when I think about it as literally being the window to a huge amount of knowledge I take in, the fact that it's way less than Adobe produc…

I've tried Kagi as primary search for a few months and used DDG as primary for a long time before that. Recently I default to using phind.com. Don't think they'll be able to stay free forever, but as it is the mix of free access to GPT-4 and the focus on being developer-friendly makes it feel much better than alternatives (perplexity.ai being the closest competitor, but not feeling quite right for me).

Curious can you 'grep the web' with it and how do you handle shopping, image/videos/news/maps types of searches?
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