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Re: DuckDuckGo removed the ability to filter search results

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I’ve also noticed that “”’s stopped working as expected there recently. Sample query: “lowes pet bedding”. The quotation marks do something; they remove some results from tractor supply and home depot. However, many results don’t contain the word “lowes” or “bedding”. For example: https://animalcare.lacounty.gov/licensing/ And, none contain the exact phrase. Google does the expected thing (return one result). Annoyin…

Yeah I feel all search engines have had declining quality for some time now. Not sure if it's unintended consequence of fighting bots. Or unintended consequence of trying to remove some content from the results. I'm assuming it's unintentional.

From my experiences nowadays it feels like it's all about pumping SEO positioning with very little actual content you look for.

If I try to look for IT related stuff I'm getting trapped around these obnoxious blogs and "sites" that shamelessly rip off someone else's content. Then, for a while looking for anything related to Windows was filling top most results with Microsoft forums, with threads that have all these generic "have you tried turning it off and on again" diagnostic solutions.

Re: DuckDuckGo removed the ability to filter search results

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> They are working out the kinks with the pricing scheme You mean being way too expensive? I appreciate them wanting to stay afloat but they need to bring the cost per search down drastically. They are doing something wrong behind the scenes with regards to spend or optimization.

This is what has been holding me back from trying out Kagi. I will probably jump over to Kagi at some point because I've noticed the quality of DDG searches going downhill as well. However, I'm firmly in Kagi's idea of 1% of Internet users. I search for anything at the drop of a hat. I just checked my history in Firefox for duckduckgo.com for "This Month" and it came back with 704 individual searches (DDG likes to ad…

Thanks for doing the analysis!

> so they make $2 per month from me

That would be roughly right.

> I hope that 80 searches for $1 covers all of their OpEx

It does cover only the search and infrastructure cost, not salaries and other operations.

According to my calculations, Google is making $5.60 on those same 80 searches from ads (roughly 7 cents per search), so $1 cost from Kagi is a bargain! :)

Re: DuckDuckGo removed the ability to filter search results

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I debated bringing up Kagi at the top level here, since I already commented on it in a reply, but honestly I really want them to succeed and shit like this is why. It's a paid search service, and I'm honestly really happy with that distinction and what it entails. Being paid means that they can deliver on and support features that users can use to get the best results for them, without worrying how those features may…

You need to realize that you like Kagi exactly because it has NOT been "succeeded", and you start to dislike DDG because it finally picks up popularity. Anything in the world that's used by large amount of users are guaranteed to piss off some portion of them, because they can only focus on limited amount of features. Google had been like that. Firefox had been like that. When 70% of Firefox users are non-techies, Fi…

DDG is just Bing. nobody wants evil microsoft search

Re: DuckDuckGo removed the ability to filter search results

#175
post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’ve been using Kagi for multiple months and due to advocacy I made few people pay for it too, but I’m completely disheartened by their business model. The whole explanation of the recent “we want to stay afloat” was weird, unexpected (price doubling with my usage, to 20$/mo) and felt untrue (ordinary user doing 30 searches per day?). I felt like it was written by Cut-Me-Own-Throat Dibbler - made sense but also very…

- "(price doubling with my usage, to 20$/mo) and felt untrue (ordinary user doing 30 searches per day?)" It's like anti-marketing. Target the paying customers most likely to talk a lot about your product – power users with heavy search workloads – and do stuff that makes them unhappy. And that's you, I guess: I'm reading your comment because you're the sort of person who *would* write HN comments reviewing their new…

They grandfathered me in, and in their announcement said that they would do that for all their early users. So, I don't quite understand what happened to the parent commenter there.

They also made it very clear on that early-days pricing that it was essentially arbitrary as they just had no idea of how the economics of their business would develop, and that they'd need to revisit it. So it really seems unfair to use that as an anchor.

They're also being extremely open about everything. Anyone can join their Discord, and there is a channel there about pricing that had been going for months, prior to the change, where people could contribute to discussions and meaningfully get their grievances heard if they had any.

Re: DuckDuckGo removed the ability to filter search results

#176

Does no one here use searx? I keep seeing Kagi being pushed and it seems suspicious as Kagi is a subscription based search engine that limits your searches to their paid tiers. Kagi shillposting with their bot accounts?

Imo there's nothing suspicious about, I am an early adopter and I happily pay for it. It simply provides better results than Google, Bing, DDG and any other search engine I've tried. I'm not a fan of subscription based software/services at all, but for once I think it makes sense when it comes to search queries.

Before I was an avid user of google but seeing the results getting worse and worse made me look for different solutions. For now i'm interested in supporting a search engine that can keep itself above water through my wallet.

Re: DuckDuckGo removed the ability to filter search results

#177

I debated bringing up Kagi at the top level here, since I already commented on it in a reply, but honestly I really want them to succeed and shit like this is why. It's a paid search service, and I'm honestly really happy with that distinction and what it entails. Being paid means that they can deliver on and support features that users can use to get the best results for them, without worrying how those features may…

I’m tired of all these “do no evil” organisations, that we back but once they succeed they give us the middle finger and harm us. Is search engine that hard to self host? Assuming I don’t want to index most of the web, such as non English sites, porn, most news sites. Surely there’s an open source solution someone has written to do that I can run from home!

Re: DuckDuckGo removed the ability to filter search results

#178

I debated bringing up Kagi at the top level here, since I already commented on it in a reply, but honestly I really want them to succeed and shit like this is why. It's a paid search service, and I'm honestly really happy with that distinction and what it entails. Being paid means that they can deliver on and support features that users can use to get the best results for them, without worrying how those features may…

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Re: DuckDuckGo removed the ability to filter search results

#179
post #42

Ah yes, the classic corporate footgun. I am sure power users who are alienated will most definitely stay quiet and not complain to their peers, damaging the reputation of a once reliable tool. This has never happened before after all. :')

There is no meaningful competition, so reputation doesn't matter. Those people already left Google to use DDG. Where are they going to go now? Some random individual's hobby search engine with a crappy index? Some shady startup's Bing wrapper that promotes a crypto scam? There is no real competition in search (and in social media, and in email, and in operating systems, and in browsers, ...). Companies can do whateve…

> There is no real competition in search

Related, and after reading some of the comments in this thread talking about knowledge and knowledge workers, but maybe this would be the perfect time to bring back ontologies and OWL/RDF?

Re: DuckDuckGo removed the ability to filter search results

#180

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You are correct, the ascent of ChatGPT and its impact on the search industry has been substantial. Fortunately, the swift commoditization of models (and rising pressure from open-source) is reducing their potential influence to pricing, quicker than we initially anticipated. On the other handm, we were forced to reassess our approach due to the situation with Bing, which led us to invest further in alternative partne…

Have you considered or are you working on building your own index? I'm not in the space, but that seems to me like the natural way to avoid having your company brought down on a whim by Microsoft, in the long term.

... or even partnering with someone like search.marginalia.nu?

I'm actually serious. At least I think I check Marginalia more often than bing or ddg or google.

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