Live data from Hacker News

I’m ready to trade in my electric car

latimes.com

181–190 of 339 posts

Re: I’m ready to trade in my electric car

#181

So one of the two phases of power that comes into my house went out. I was chatting with the lad that came to fix it from PGE. I wanted to know how much it cost to update my 125amp main panel to 200 amp. He responded , 30-50k after all the trenching work. At home charging is gonna be a pickle for older homes… esp if you have powerlines that are trenched.

While overhead lines are ugly, they make upgrades like this easy.

Re: I’m ready to trade in my electric car

#182

So one of the two phases of power that comes into my house went out. I was chatting with the lad that came to fix it from PGE. I wanted to know how much it cost to update my 125amp main panel to 200 amp. He responded , 30-50k after all the trenching work. At home charging is gonna be a pickle for older homes… esp if you have powerlines that are trenched.

I had a 30amp circuit for my EV run on my 100 amp panel, older house (1928). Granted we had the space for it, we're just not using that much electricity. The install was around $500 and I could write it off on my MA taxes.

If I upgrade to 200amp, which I might if we migrate off of steam boiler to heat pump, it's about $5000. We have overhead power lines though.

Re: I’m ready to trade in my electric car

#183
post #133

Earlier quoted context omitted.

FSD is a disaster and Elon an AH, but it’s a simple fact that Tesla supercharger are their biggest competitive benefit, and superior to anything else on the market?

Yes. But that lead is dwindling, and soon opening to CCS cars as well. That’s my point. Tesla needs to start building something new again, or improving their cars in meaningful ways, or their lead will dwindle. And the cybertruck ain’t it. (I have a reservation for one, but there are better options now)

Depends on the metrics you choose.

Tesla is still very much at the head of the pack for range, efficiency, and charging speed (thinking of the Model 3 and Y especially). These are the fundamental factors that probably matter the most in determining the convenience of a regular-use EV.

Some manufacturers (hat-tip to Hyundai in particular) are starting to come close or match them in some or all of these (which is great!) but it’s absolutely not the norm.

Re: I’m ready to trade in my electric car

#184
post #155

In 1997, I bought a DVD player, and didn't have a VCR. You couldn't rent DVDs at Blockbuster, or indeed anywhere. Most movies weren't available on DVD, so you could watch only the few that had made it to the format (and had to purchase them for full price, at that). Being a DVD-only owner was limiting and annoying in a bunch of ways, even though the DVD experience was a lot better than the VCR experience. If in 1997,…

So the article seems to be right - wait with EVs until they improve. Why suffer the pains of an early adopter?

As an early adopter, the benefit of less maintenance, home "refueling", and the fact that an EV is more fun to drive offsets the hassle. We've done a few road trips in it, and while road trip charging is annoying (we have a VW ID4, so the CCS network) its still worth dealing with because we enjoy the EV.

Personally I think right now EVs are a great second car for almost everyone because you get the benefits of an EV but can fall back to your gasoline car for trips. We're still in the early adopter phase of "primary" car right now, where you need to be aware of the drawbacks.

Re: I’m ready to trade in my electric car

#185
post #183
post #133

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes. But that lead is dwindling, and soon opening to CCS cars as well. That’s my point. Tesla needs to start building something new again, or improving their cars in meaningful ways, or their lead will dwindle. And the cybertruck ain’t it. (I have a reservation for one, but there are better options now)

Depends on the metrics you choose. Tesla is still very much at the head of the pack for range, efficiency, and charging speed (thinking of the Model 3 and Y especially). These are the fundamental factors that probably matter the most in determining the convenience of a regular-use EV. Some manufacturers (hat-tip to Hyundai in particular) are starting to come close or match them in some or all of these (which is great…

Lucid beats Tesla on all 3. 520mi range, super efficient, 350kw charging (compared to 250kw on a Tesla).

My point isn’t that Tesla sucks. It’s that they’re not inherently superior anymore.

(And yes, Hyundai and Kia are great. Merc and BMW are also giving them a run for their money, though I don’t like their styling.)

Re: I’m ready to trade in my electric car

#186
post #184
post #155

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So the article seems to be right - wait with EVs until they improve. Why suffer the pains of an early adopter?

As an early adopter, the benefit of less maintenance, home "refueling", and the fact that an EV is more fun to drive offsets the hassle. We've done a few road trips in it, and while road trip charging is annoying (we have a VW ID4, so the CCS network) its still worth dealing with because we enjoy the EV. Personally I think right now EVs are a great second car for almost everyone because you get the benefits of an EV…

> benefits of an EV but can fall back to your gasoline car for trips.

Why not just get a pehv

Re: I’m ready to trade in my electric car

#187
post #171

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do gas stations get treated the same?

Come to think of it, that's probably going to happen eventually. There's no future for internal combustion ground transportation, and eventually most of those gas stations are going to be closed. I wouldn't be surprised if, when parts of the country begin to be unreachable by ICE vehicles because of lack of gas stations, some irate ICE truck owners block the roads in protest. It doesn't happen now because petroleum i…

We have a long way to go before this happens. EVs are still a small percentage of cars, we haven’t solved long haul trucks and many already exist (and are expensive to replace), charging times prohibit many scenarios, rural areas are going to be hard pressed for chargers, and EVs don’t do well with cold which a majority of people experience with winter (not everyone is in coastal west coast).

Re: I’m ready to trade in my electric car

#188
post #19

At the moment, ONLY Tesla has decent supercharging (i.e., fast-charging) infrastructure in the US: https://www.tesla.com/findus I regularly go on ~300-mile drives that need only a single charging stop, lasting 15-20 minutes, on my Tesla EV. By the time I've gone to the bathroom and gotten a drink, the supercharger has added 100-150+ miles of range and the EV is ready to go. All the stalls always work. No other EV bra…

People have forgotten when gas stations didn't used to be every 100 feet.

There was a reason why people stayed on the interstates and turnpikes and regularly spaced gas stations was one of them. Many of these were subsidized.

That needs to occur again for EV chargers.

Re: I’m ready to trade in my electric car

#189

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd probably still do it. It's not just about money and these cost will probably get cheaper in the future.

Presumably the chargers are owned by a private company. Why would they lower their charges in future?

Competition, I'd assume as more and more chargers become available, their price will reduce.

Re: I’m ready to trade in my electric car

#190

> That means mapping out charging stations in a comprehensive, thoughtful way … not leaving it to the whims of the commercial sector, … It will require cities to develop plans for how and where to locate public chargers I spoke at public hearing last year in favor of an EV ordinance that my city passed. I believe that if we are to involve government with EV adoption, which is necessary, we need to be prepared for bac…

A thing to think about is: Do we in fact need top-down government mandates to do this? People with gas cars have range anxiety, too, and you need to be strategic about placement of gas stations to ensure that they don't get stuck in a place where they can't charge. And yet... this turns out to be a problem that largely solved itself without a centralizing authority, because "people want to buy gas/electricity for the…

> People with gas cars have range anxiety, too, and you need to be strategic about placement of gas stations to ensure that they don't get stuck in a place where they can't charge.

Right? But I can’t buy 5x20l canisters and fill them up with x kWh of electricity. I can to that with diesel or gasoline.

Post reply on HN