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Re: YouTube, the jewel of the internet

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Post by Zetice »

doublerabbit wrote: post #68
Zetice wrote: post #61

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Yeah but if you’re immune to the most obvious awful shit (not your kids) it’s kind of the only drawback. I get the occasional “lets debunk flat earthers” but a) I don’t find that content interesting and b) I know that’s the lip of the rabbit hole, so if I just avoid those kind of videos, my feed is fine. Your problem is legitimate and your response is understandable, but what would you think of YouTube if that weren’…

> What would you think of YouTube if that weren’t a problem? Not op, however I avoid YT at all costs. I would sing a tune of a product giving back to the world. Education, knowledge and entertainment. Quite a dream compared to the current as of the moment; corruption of education, knowledge and entertainment.

No, YouTube is not a corruption of any of those things.

You can’t have the things you like without some way of allowing the people who created those things to no have to do other things to survive.

Re: YouTube, the jewel of the internet

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Post by deepzn »

mastax wrote: post #117
robinsonb5 wrote: post #98

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I do have some admiration for the algorithm - but I also wish that refreshing the home page would show me some more of the many thousands of videos that I'd likely find interesting, rather than the same 20 just in a different order.

I'm glad that the home page is semi-stable because I'll often click on a video and then go back and want to queue up another that looked interesting but if it were gone it might be hard to find again. (Yes there are strategies to work around this but I don't always use them). They do have the "New to You" category on the home page now which you might find useful.

also being new to TikTok, I didn't realize scrolling up at first would refresh the queue of videos. And I would lose the vid being watched which was a bit terrifying to lose an interesting video.

Re: YouTube, the jewel of the internet

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Post by zo1 »

EGreg wrote: post #95
Kye wrote: post #94

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It's good form to say you're the person behind the thing you're recommending. Making stuff to solve problems is the point of most of the domain this little website is under, so self-promotion is fine, but not saying that's what it is looks bad.

Right. But I'm not promoting it. I am definitely NOT recommending it. It isn’t even launched. I was attempting to ask in an unbiased way whether it would help. That would require one person (the one I am asking) to go and check it out. Yes, I omitted saying it's mine, not because of any nefarious reason. Just didn't realize it was necessary to simply ask an opinion of one person about whether it would have the intend…

Be careful what you do on the internet. This thread will forever be connected to this "teaching.app" website, your down-votes, and your tone-def responses to the people trying to explain why they think you should have disclosed that you made the website, and also the name "EGreg"..

Re: YouTube, the jewel of the internet

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Post by EGreg »

Kye wrote: post #130
EGreg wrote: post #121

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I don’t think asking someone a question about their own specific opinion about whether a particular website could help their peers OR NOT, is the same as promotion. For example, earlier today I promoted a service that I built (see my comment history) and clearly disclosed that it’s mine. In fact, sometimes you don’t WANT the person to know whether what you’re asking about is yours, so they can give a more honest asse…

All you're doing here is turning what looked innocent and well-intentioned into something suspicious. I hope you learn to take feedback better before your app is big enough that handling it poorly does real damage.

This is Hacker News. It is reasonable to have substantive discussion and correct mistakes. We are deep in a comment thread hardly anyone will see. So I think it’s OK to explain where I am coming from.

It was innocent and well-intentioned. You just misunderstood the intention. If people say there is a systemic problem X in high school, and a high schooler confirms most of their friends have problem X, what do you think is more well-intentioned:

1) Promotion: Hey high school student! I built Y! Check it out! Tell all your friends! I think it might help them! Or…

2) Feedback: Hey high school student, do you THINK this COULD help your friends or not: Y

My purpose was 2. I sometimes do 1, but here that was not my intent. When I’m promoting something, you know it. Now that you highlighted that I made it, though, it defeats much of the original intent. So now it has turned into a conversation about whether people can have purposes other than promotion. That’s fine. It is somewhat useful for me to get this straightened out. I won’t get an unbiased answer anymore, but I can get them elsewhere when I do case studies and beta testing.

bottom line: doing a clinical trial or experiment or beta testing or asking someone’s opinion isn’t always primarily about promotion.

Re: YouTube, the jewel of the internet

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Post by stormfather »

brewtide wrote: post #26
irrational wrote: post #17

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> they had a youth where they could spend their entire time learning literally everything there is to know about their passion for free I have children between the ages of 9 and 26. You know what they are passionate about? Minecraft, Mr Beast, Travel vlogs, mommy vlogs, “reality” videos, etc. I’ve tried to introduce them to science, space, programming, history, math, finance, nature, etc. content and they don’t want…

I have a 9 and 7 year old and we are constantly enjoying such YouTube channels as "smarter every day", "veritasium" (spelling?), "Stuff made here", to some extent Colin furze, "technology connections", and other such edutainment. Not sure it speaks about differences in kids, in ages, in households, or likely a combination of sorts. Also, not a judgement on your kids, just a counterpoint about the resources available…

Can you attribute your kids' behavior to any actions you took or policies you had? Please don't be shy about it, I would love to inculcate that into my kids as well.

Re: YouTube, the jewel of the internet

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Post by BlueTemplar »

alonsonic wrote: post #101
tambourine_man wrote: post #70

Another great thing about YouTube not mentioned is the quality of comments. Something happened in the last 5 years or so that changed them profoundly. Once the laugh of the internet they are now one of the most wholesome in it. Almost unbelievable for a public site.

I'm fascinated by this. I feel the same way. Do we know if The YouTube team if ordering comments using some sort of sentiment analysis? This might be the key to moderating social media. Is almost like negative/toxic comments are shadow banned and relegated to the bottom of the comments section.

Youtube's system is extremely heavy handed. You can sometimes notice your comments getting shadowbanned if you see the same comment from another account/computer. And I think you can notice it for other people when you get a reply notification, and can even read the comment, but it doesn't show in the comments if you open the list of comments in notifications ?

(Posting multiple comments for the same video seems to be an easy way to get them (shadow)banned. Even more posting links, even when it's literally a timelink to the same video using the mm:so format !)

Re: YouTube, the jewel of the internet

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Post by throw_m239339 »

tambourine_man wrote: post #70

Another great thing about YouTube not mentioned is the quality of comments. Something happened in the last 5 years or so that changed them profoundly. Once the laugh of the internet they are now one of the most wholesome in it. Almost unbelievable for a public site.

> Another great thing about YouTube not mentioned is the quality of comments. Something happened in the last 5 years or so that changed them profoundly.

It's not uncommon to get spam from bots trying to impersonate the video creator (same username, same avatar) and trying to push crypto scams everytime one answers a comment. Youtube hardly does anything about it.

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Post by disntthinkthis »

fsckboy wrote: post #148
Waterluvian wrote: post #116

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Yeah, I really have no complaints. Of all “we feed you content” thingies online, YouTube has been the most adequate. The only complaint I have is what human behaviour forces even the intelligent creators to do: have a title card with an excited looking person.

this is how low we've sunk, you don't even say that youtube is adequate, you say it's the most adequate Just to add my anecdata to the mix, I'm waist deep in logging-in to gmail and workplace apps, etc, but to compensate have abandoned android for iPhone, and I never use google search, and while I watch plenty on youtube, it's never required me to log in so I've never logged in, I don't even have any idea how much it…

YouTube has been showing me a ton of channels with low Hundreds of views recently, and they’re very to my taste. Ymmv but they’re doing well at exactly what you’re complaining about in my experience

Re: YouTube, the jewel of the internet

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Post by TheAceOfHearts »

robinsonb5 wrote: post #98
mastax wrote: post #81

I'm going to go against the grain here and say my YouTube algorithm is great. Signing out of YouTube and viewing the default home page is a reminder of the horrors that lie beyond, but my little corner of it is a bit too good. There was a period of time semi-recently when the algorithm was better than my heuristics, too. I had associated too-good thumbnails with overproduced shallow clickbait videos churned out by co…

I do have some admiration for the algorithm - but I also wish that refreshing the home page would show me some more of the many thousands of videos that I'd likely find interesting, rather than the same 20 just in a different order.

It's very well hidden, but if you scroll to the end of the filter tags there's a button to show "New For You", which shows a screen full of new recommendations each time you refresh. Sometimes I'll roll the dice a few times with that page and find really interesting stuff.
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