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Re: Russia killed its tech industry

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Post by koonsolo »

larry_ralph_ wrote: post #156
koonsolo wrote: post #147

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sergei_Korolev

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Maybe you should read it again: he is 1/4th russian and born in Ukraine. His father was half russian half Belarusian, born in Belarus. His mom not russian at all, she was Ukrainian. That makes him max 1/4th russian. So no, he's not Russian.

It clearly states he was born and raised in Ukraine.

But hey, Russians like to claim everything is theirs, nothing new here. Good to see which side you are on.

Re: Russia killed its tech industry

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Post by koonsolo »

yogthos wrote: post #189
koonsolo wrote: post #147

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sergei_Korolev

you should read the page you linked

Born in Ukraine, mom was Ukrainian, dad was born in Belarus.

Your point? It clearly states he was born and raised in Ukraine.

Re: Russia killed its tech industry

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Post by capableweb »

nickpp wrote: post #190
capableweb wrote: post #187

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I'm not sure if "killing millions" is on purpose a exaggeration or not, but again, Russia is not alone in doing killing and bombing as a strategy (civilians be damned), the US is very familiar with that strategy. Do you think the initial night raid on Iraq was only targeting military targets? They were dropping random bombs on Baghdad. Multiple campaigns of Vietnam were just dropping a ton of bombs all over the count…

Oh, since you had to go all the way to the Second World War to find some arguments, here in Eastern Europe we remember too. We remember the grandparents gone to Siberia never to return. The hunger. The Red Army atrocities. The Nomenklatura they left behind. The cleansing of anybody with the "wrong" past or connections. The tinpot dictators they propped up. The “wonders” of communism - more hunger. Chernobyl and atomi…

I'm glad it seems like we agree then, all military powers have abused their powers and hurt countless of others.

Re: Russia killed its tech industry

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Post by larry_ralph_ »

koonsolo wrote: post #191
larry_ralph_ wrote: post #156

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Maybe you should read it again: he is 1/4th russian and born in Ukraine. His father was half russian half Belarusian, born in Belarus. His mom not russian at all, she was Ukrainian. That makes him max 1/4th russian. So no, he's not Russian. It clearly states he was born and raised in Ukraine. But hey, Russians like to claim everything is theirs, nothing new here. Good to see which side you are on.

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Re: Russia killed its tech industry

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Post by lostmsu »

ghostwriter wrote: post #157
lostmsu wrote: post #153

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As a MSU CS alumni I can tell you, it is pretty clear the brighter, the more likely to leave. Among my peers most left, even the ones that used to be relatively pro Puilo for whatever reasons.

> As a MSU CS alumni I can tell you, it is pretty clear the brighter, the more likely to leave. How does your alumni status’ anecdotal evidence bring clarity on the matter of the predominant intellectual capacity of those who’re leaving Russia? Aren’t there any other MSU graduates who consider themselves as bright as your CS peers and yourself, and who are staying in? What’s the respective left/stayed ratio among the…

Basically everyone (that would be 10+ people) I know who was still staying back left after Russia unleashed full scale war with the exception of the ones that have to care for very old relatives. There are two people who stayed for other reasons, and they aren't brighter than average peers.

Prior to the war maybe slightly under 50% stayed. Now it is under 10%.

Re: Russia killed its tech industry

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Post by koonsolo »

larry_ralph_ wrote: post #194
koonsolo wrote: post #191

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe you should read it again: he is 1/4th russian and born in Ukraine. His father was half russian half Belarusian, born in Belarus. His mom not russian at all, she was Ukrainian. That makes him max 1/4th russian. So no, he's not Russian. It clearly states he was born and raised in Ukraine. But hey, Russians like to claim everything is theirs, nothing new here. Good to see which side you are on.

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Re: Russia killed its tech industry

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Post by kilotaras »

badpun wrote: post #58
timonoko wrote: post #49

There never was any real high tech industry. Everything good was done in gulags which my Russian schoolbook called "Nauki Gorods" ie science towns. Everything else was substandard garbage. However under harsh military rule labor camps work well to produce high tech. German V2-rockets and Curta calculators prove that. But there is time limit for that. You will run out of people.

What about sending Gagarin to space in the 1950s? Was that tech developed in the Gulags as well?

Korolev, who was one of the leading rocket engineers during the time didn't have teeth as he lost them in Kolyma labour camp.

Re: Russia killed its tech industry

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Post by ghostwriter »

asats wrote: post #172
ghostwriter wrote: post #163

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It’s the second time you’re deliberately avoiding answering where else is your clarity about the second group come from, except from your imagining things. > It's not about safety, it's about agency. Because action > inaction. Staying put does not require anything, just making excuses why nothing can be done to either change things or move. When a person has an option to leave but decides otherwise, they exercise the…

I did not IQ test the million people on the border and I have no objective way to evaluate and compare the brightness of the people that have left vs the rosatom engineers, if that's what you're asking for. "Biased simplification of reality" sounds like a description of essentially any opinion, we are all biased and reality is too complex to argue about without simplifications, so that's not a great argument. Anythin…

> we are all biased and reality is too complex to argue about without simplifications, so that's not a great argument.

However it's a good argument for distinguishing between simplifications introduced by feelings and the ones introduced by omission while trying impartial judgement, as these simplification premises would have different value to your listeners.

> Do you really think that a loss of that million is insignificant and that the roskosmos/rosatom/rostech/etc will accomplish more than all the people that have left? If so, could you explain why you think that?

We must first establish and agree on the dimension by which you're willing to evaluate that significance. What would be a unit of measurement of the significance that you're mentioning in your comments?

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