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Gradients are not all you need

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Re: Gradients are not all you need

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post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Chinchilla paper was called "Training Compute-Optimal Large Language Models", which is exactly on point.

I mean, it would be slightly more accurate if it had been “Compute-Optimal Training of Large Language Models”, since the models so-trained aren’t the thing that is compute-optimal, the training is compute-optimal. But… yeah, its hardly a title chosen for marketing rather than description.

Interestingly, the models themselves also have compute cost associated with them, namely the cost of running them (inference). The smaller a model is, the less compute it needs for inference. Which is an interesting trade-off, because you can overtrain (rather than undertrain, as in the past) a model, i.e. use more tokens, fewer parameters, and ultimately more compute than optimal during training, to get lower inference cost.

https://www.harmdevries.com/post/model-size-vs-compute-overh...

This website has an interesting graph which visualizes this:

> For example, the compute overhead for 75% of the optimal model size is only 2.8%, whereas for half of the optimal model size, the overhead rises to 20%. As we move towards smaller models, we observe an asymptotic trend, and at 25% of the compute-optimal model size, the compute overhead increases rapidly to 188%.

So if you train your model you shouldn't just look at compute-optimal training but try to anticipate how much the model will probably be used for inference, to minimize total compute cost. Basically, the less inference you expect to do with your model, the closer the training should be to Chinchilla-optimality.

Re: Gradients are not all you need

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My one wish is that machine learning papers would use paper titles that actually described what the paper was about. I suppose there is a certain 'evolutionary pressure' where clever titles 'outcompete' dryer, more descriptive titles (or it seems that way). But i don't like it.

Agree -- owl talk of Winnie-the-pooh childhood fame --- sucks.

Re: Gradients are not all you need

#23

My one wish is that machine learning papers would use paper titles that actually described what the paper was about. I suppose there is a certain 'evolutionary pressure' where clever titles 'outcompete' dryer, more descriptive titles (or it seems that way). But i don't like it.

Getting cited is probably the largest individual incentive. To various degrees, authors also want to get their ideas and reputation “out there”. To that end, authors want their work to be (i) skimmed (the abstract at least); (ii) shared; (iii) read. A catchy title almost always helps (right?); there doesn’t seem to be significant downside to catchy titles.

So how do we get more desirable system behavior? It seems we have a collective action problem.

Re: Gradients are not all you need

#24
post #9

My one wish is that machine learning papers would use paper titles that actually described what the paper was about. I suppose there is a certain 'evolutionary pressure' where clever titles 'outcompete' dryer, more descriptive titles (or it seems that way). But i don't like it.

Remember the days after Rowhammer and Heartbleed, when every new security vulnerability needed its own catchy name and domain name website? This is the science version of that. Branding is eating the world.

It's inescapable.

40 years ago, when articles went into print publications, you'd just get your paper into a key print journal and then trust that everyone who gets it would at least look through the article headlines and read the abstracts of articles that seemed relevant to them. And it was manageable because you'd only have a few new issues rolling in per month.

But arXiv had an average of 167 CS papers being submitted per day in 2021. An academic who wants to keep their career alive needs to resort to every trick in the book to be heard above that din.

Re: Gradients are not all you need

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post #9

My one wish is that machine learning papers would use paper titles that actually described what the paper was about. I suppose there is a certain 'evolutionary pressure' where clever titles 'outcompete' dryer, more descriptive titles (or it seems that way). But i don't like it.

Remember the days after Rowhammer and Heartbleed, when every new security vulnerability needed its own catchy name and domain name website? This is the science version of that. Branding is eating the world.

Is branding the concept in play? I don’t see it being a very good metaphorical fit in comparison to my suggestion below. Branding requires a common theme over multiple things (such as products or events).

I think we’re seeing something closer to title optimization in the service of marketing. But even marketing isn’t a great fit.

Upon reflecting on the Wikipedia definition of marketing, it strikes me that title optimization is only a tiny part of what “academic research marketing” could be. In the most generous sense, it could mean reaching out to media sources fairly early in the research/writing process to help craft a paper that will be interesting to the desired audience.

Wikipedia quotes:

> Marketing is the process of exploring, creating, and delivering value to meet the needs of a target market in terms of goods and services; potentially including selection of a target audience; selection of certain attributes or themes to emphasize in advertising; operation of advertising campaigns; attendance at trade shows and public events; design of products and packaging attractive to buyers; defining the terms of sale, such as price, discounts, warranty, and return policy; product placement in media or with people believed to influence the buying habits of others; agreements with retailers, wholesale distributors, or resellers; and attempts to create awareness of, loyalty to, and positive feelings about a brand.

> A brand is a name, term, design, symbol or any other feature that distinguishes one seller's good or service from those of other sellers. Brands are used in business, marketing, and advertising for recognition and, importantly, to create and store value as brand equity for the object identified, to the benefit of the brand's customers, its owners and shareholders.

> Personal branding is the conscious and intentional effort to create and influence public perception of an individual by positioning them as an authority in their industry, elevating their credibility, and differentiating themselves from the competition, to ultimately advance their career, widen their circle of influence, and have a larger impact.

Re: Gradients are not all you need

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My one wish is that machine learning papers would use paper titles that actually described what the paper was about. I suppose there is a certain 'evolutionary pressure' where clever titles 'outcompete' dryer, more descriptive titles (or it seems that way). But i don't like it.

I asked GPT > https://arxiv.org/abs/2111.05803 make a good useful title that's not silly for this paper and wht's about

I dunno if it even read the article lols

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Title: “Deep Reinforcement Learning for Multi-Agent Navigation in Complex Environments” This paper proposes a deep reinforcement learning approach for multi-agent navigation in complex environments. The proposed method uses a centralized critic and decentralized actor architecture, where each agent has its own policy network and learns from its local observations, while the critic network takes in the global state information to provide a centralized value estimate. The method is evaluated on a variety of benchmark environments and achieves state-of-the-art performance compared to existing methods.

Re: Gradients are not all you need

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post #7

My one wish is that machine learning papers would use paper titles that actually described what the paper was about. I suppose there is a certain 'evolutionary pressure' where clever titles 'outcompete' dryer, more descriptive titles (or it seems that way). But i don't like it.

> "Understanding Limitations and Chaos-Based Failures in Gradient-Based Optimization Methods." (gpt4) Fixed with ML.

I’ve provided the PDF URL to ChatGPT 4.0 and asked it to summarize the article with alternative titles, but for some reason it keeps getting the original title, authors, abstract, and body wrong. What prompt did you use?

Re: Gradients are not all you need

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Seems to me like the whole history of neural nets is basically crafting models with well-behaved gradients to make gradient descent work well. That, and models that can achieve high utilization of available hardware. The surprising thing is that models exist where the gradients are so well-behaved that we can learn GPT-4 level stuff.

There's plenty of interesting neural network designs out there but they're being overshadowed by transformers due to their recent success. I personally thing that the main reason transformers work so well is because they actually step away from the multi layer perceptron stuff and introduce some structure and in a way sparsity.

Re: Gradients are not all you need

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post #26

My one wish is that machine learning papers would use paper titles that actually described what the paper was about. I suppose there is a certain 'evolutionary pressure' where clever titles 'outcompete' dryer, more descriptive titles (or it seems that way). But i don't like it.

I asked GPT > https://arxiv.org/abs/2111.05803 make a good useful title that's not silly for this paper and wht's about I dunno if it even read the article lols ==== Title: “Deep Reinforcement Learning for Multi-Agent Navigation in Complex Environments” This paper proposes a deep reinforcement learning approach for multi-agent navigation in complex environments. The proposed method uses a centralized critic and decen…

ChatGPT doesn’t read URL’s on the fly but it will pretend it does.
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