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Ask HN: Why is TSMC so competitive in semiconductor fabrication?

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Re: Ask HN: Why is TSMC so competitive in semiconductor fabrication?

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Rarely work in growing healthy tech. But one or two generations later…

That is how they stop growing in the first place. Bean counters is how you get Intel instead of TSMC.

When it comes to research, it always costs a substantial amount to accomplish anything at all.

So the cost is always prominent, and the return is difficult to fully attribute.

Forces at work that can lead to undue cuts.

Engineering companies need to be run by engineering/businesspeople selected internally from a deep bench of capable candidates. As succession occurs technical leadership can better maintain continuity of what made the company competitive to begin with.

For the bean counters it can be impossible to realize potential in many ways, not just research. Concrete costs will always be ripe for quantitative elimination without consideration of the crippling effect on upside outcome that can not be recovered in less than a few years (or generations) after overcompensating funding has been restored.

Which could happen . . . right?

No conincidence how many different kinds of hard technology are referred to in "generations" of advancement.

Bean counters are supposed to be good at math but they're usually no engineers.

When these start to come into leadership positions of an engineering company it can be a very bad sign.

It could be worse.

Some of the top financial operators are not even bean counters, or leadership material of any kind. More like social climbers who've moved up a corporate ladder without much distraction from any effort other than the social climbing itself. Even worse when the only reason they're financial is greed.

Look what happened to Boeing when the engineering culture no longer extended all the way to the top.

Still an engineering company, with some of the world's most outstanding engineers doing very advanced things very successfully. Just not as much as it once was. And not as much as it could be.

Well acccounting companies should be run by accounting/businesspeople which does seem to work, and bean counters shine until generations later at a place like Arthur Andersen where it looks like they were replaced by social climbers at the top and oh, well.

Re: Ask HN: Why is TSMC so competitive in semiconductor fabrication?

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Maybe I should have said 'stock traders'?

My point is that shareholder capitalism doesn't necessarily lead to the short-term focus you describe. Shareholders can in fact be the group with the longest-term focus of all. They can still be there and care about the company long after the current C-suite are all gone.

While it's certainly possible for that to be true, it isn't in reality. The average holding period of a stock is 5.5 months.

People have proposed to not give people voting power as shareholders until they've held the stock for a period, because there is this huge population of investors that care nothing for the long term viability of thr company.

Re: Ask HN: Why is TSMC so competitive in semiconductor fabrication?

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post #109

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More like labeled it as science.

Kinda like all these “doctors” who just swaggered in and labeled brain surgery as science, we’ve been trepanning for thousands of years!

It was science back then, it is science now. Using technologies at the time. 2000 years from now, some people will look at our era as barbarian and unscientific.

Re: Ask HN: Why is TSMC so competitive in semiconductor fabrication?

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post #94

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The US has been an ally of Taiwan since before the CCP existed.

Before the CCP existed, Taiwan was part of China, and was occupied for many years by Japan. After the Chinese civil war and the rise of the CCP, the defeated nationalist government moved to Taiwan. It is only then that any US alliance with Taiwan began.

> Before the CCP existed, Taiwan was part of China

This is simply not true.

Re: Ask HN: Why is TSMC so competitive in semiconductor fabrication?

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post #53

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A bit of an aside, but your comment made me realize how much we don’t know about the process used to create the technologies that underpin our civilization. We (laymen) have no idea about the incredible complexity behind manufacturing a single CPU chip.

Oh boy, you should check out the show "Connections" by James Burke

That also reminded me of _Connections_, which notably made the same point in _the late 1970s_! It isn't like technology's gotten any easier to understand -- in total, "top to bottom" -- since then.

Re: Ask HN: Why is TSMC so competitive in semiconductor fabrication?

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No it doesn't, because Japanese companies aren't Korean, Chinese, or Taiwanese.

So? What's the evidence for Japanese companies being more susceptible to "Harvard Business School ideas" than Korean, Chinese, or Taiwanese companies?

After surrendering to the United States, Japanese companies were taught Harvard Business School ideas as part of a reconstruction effort.

While that is a very tiny piece of what is referred to as Japan's Economic Miracle, it is enough to explain the difference in exposure and susceptibility to Harvard Business School ideas compared to Korea, China, and Taiwan.

Re: Ask HN: Why is TSMC so competitive in semiconductor fabrication?

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The short answer is during a time of massive profits of semi companies, most cashed out. One (TSMC) has kept reinvesting gains into R&D for the last 20 years. Lithography via ASML is the cutting edge advance, but there are many other small details too. Both in the technology itself but also in the complexity of integrating that technology to work together in one process.

The fun fact is that Intel had the biggest stake in ASML (15%) vs TSMC (5%) vs Samsung (3%), but they indeed cashed out. It was join investment. https://semiwiki.com/semiconductor-services/semiconductor-ad...

Re: Ask HN: Why is TSMC so competitive in semiconductor fabrication?

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Semiconductor fabrication is winner takes all.

Intel won.

Everyone else but TSMC gave up in logic. Samsung mostly focused on memory.

TSMC got Apple as a customer.

Intel choked its lead by paying outrageous dividends and cutting R&D expenditure.

TSMC has done well. They've also done a Steven Bradbury.

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