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Re: Show HN: I was frustrated with pricing of PagerDuty et al., so made one myself

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Why is the pricing per user? Is that what your costs are most dependent on? I bet not. I'd argue $5/user is just teaser pricing on its way to PagerDuty's $21+/user. Regardless, cool project—happy to see more competition.

You base your salary solely on living expenses?

Re: Show HN: I was frustrated with pricing of PagerDuty et al., so made one myself

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I found PagerDuty to be grossly underwhelming when our team moved to it. I'd focus on stupid-easy integration & some reasonable calendar management to differentiate. PagerDuty Calendar/Holiday/Workday management and cross-regional scheduling were very poorly implemented. The amount of manual schedule adjustment when someone actually wanted to take their 1 week vacation was insane. We ended up with overrides on top of…

For instance at Google, taking vacation in workday puts an OOO event on your Google calendar. Then the oncall scheduler takes that into account along with your oncall history when it schedules new rotations. You only have to get someone to cover if you are taking time off in the near future, and any surplus or deficit will be fixed by the scheduler going forward. It's kind of wild that an expensive product with tons…

I think outside some FAANG firms with strong engineering management, the purchase of these tools is a top-down affair.

So as cynical as my statement may seem- " It's almost like they wanted it to be easier to just not take time off?" .. user ergonomics just doesn't enter into the conversation at all, because the users are internal devs.. who cares.

I also worked at an org that gave each of 50+ large customers a dedicated slack channel with.. wait for it.. the entire internal 200+ member engineering org in channel with them. You can imagine the mayhem as each customer figured out how to get attention (@here/@channel/@theguythatfixedthislasttime) and "hack the phone tree" as I used to call it.

This also meant the every one of our 200+ engineers was a member of 50+ customer channels which were filled with all levels of noise that 95% of the time had nothing to do with their app/team/function, and could/should be ignored.

Re: Show HN: I was frustrated with pricing of PagerDuty et al., so made one myself

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Why is the pricing per user? Is that what your costs are most dependent on? I bet not. I'd argue $5/user is just teaser pricing on its way to PagerDuty's $21+/user. Regardless, cool project—happy to see more competition.

If you ever start a business selling anything at all, the very first thing you will need to realize is that you never base prices on how much something costs. You base prices on what people are willing to pay.

Like most business advice this sounds good as a one-liner, but isn't super accurate. There are lots of businesses that need to evaluate price elasticity and substitution which is more than finding the right point on the demand curve.

Re: Show HN: I was frustrated with pricing of PagerDuty et al., so made one myself

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I used to work at Opsgenie, which is one of the main competitors of Pagerduty, wish you good luck

Sms is a very good fallback channel for push notifications, especially when you don't have good internet coverage for an unexpected reason. I also personally hate phone calls, but I find it more effective to wake people up at night.

Re: Show HN: I was frustrated with pricing of PagerDuty et al., so made one myself

#45
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This a deal breaker for me. I understand your intention here and from a pure alerting perspective you're correct, but I have use cases for other forms of notification.

Too bad. :( Would've loved to help you out. Would you mind elaborating on your usecases and why it's axactly a deal breaker?

I for one sometimes are in regions where internet access is spotty, but getting a call works.

Re: Show HN: I was frustrated with pricing of PagerDuty et al., so made one myself

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Why is the pricing per user? Is that what your costs are most dependent on? I bet not. I'd argue $5/user is just teaser pricing on its way to PagerDuty's $21+/user. Regardless, cool project—happy to see more competition.

Since when does anyone set or scale their price on their costs?

A big argument against LVT that people (often landlords, but many "socialists" too) is that rents will simply rise to reflect the extra cost to the landlord

Same with increase interest rates

It's certainly widely believed that "price = cost + %profit" rather than "price = level at which maximum profit will be achieved after factoring in market segregation"

Re: Show HN: I was frustrated with pricing of PagerDuty et al., so made one myself

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I think the design is you use the automatic escalation if the page isn't acknowledged.

Yes, it will auto-escalate to your team mates, if you don't acknowledge.

I think this is a better model than what I've seen setup in PD.

Typically there was a fall-back escalation, and then it would go straight up the management chain, which seemed idiotic.

Re: Show HN: I was frustrated with pricing of PagerDuty et al., so made one myself

#49
You can build your own Pagerduty, feature-wise. But a system like that requires higher high availability than your app.

Pagerduty's SLA for availability is 99.9% (3 nines) which is up to 43.8 minutes per month.

If you build your Pagerduty clone on AWS, your theoretical maximum availability is 99.99%.

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