Russia killed its tech industry • Hacker News Board

Re: Russia killed its tech industry

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Post by tim333 » Sun, Apr 23, 2023, 2:57 PM UTC

capableweb wrote: post #65

gumballindie wrote: post #37

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Yeah one of the two is constantly brutalising its neighbours, while the other is busy building tech and defending smaller, but freedom loving, countries. Our grandparents told us stories about the russian army that many found hard to believe. And here we are proven that they were right all along.

> defending smaller, but freedom loving, countries Lol. > Our grandparents told us stories about the russian army that many found hard to believe. And here we are proven that they were right all along. This is true for any military power, read stories about areas under occupation from "freedom loving" or "non-freedom loving" (?) military groups, and you'll find it is equally horrible no matter what country the groups…

Standards change though. I mean a lot of developed nations did atrocities a century or two ago but Russia is a bit behind the times.

Re: Russia killed its tech industry

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Post by ChrisMarshallNY » Sun, Apr 23, 2023, 2:58 PM UTC

dimaaan wrote: post #109

ChrisMarshallNY wrote: post #13

I find it heartbreaking. I grew up in the Cold War (my father was in the CIA). Russians were considered brutish, non-creative, and untrustworthy. Then, the Berlin Wall came down, and everything changed. I started to see amazing creativity come from Russia. Music, technology, art, actors, dance, all kinds of stuff. I loved working with Russian engineers. They were some of the best techs I'd worked with. I have a lot o…

Thank you for that kind of words. It's so rare nowadays. While i agree with technology, art (painters, literature), dance (ballet), i didn't think Russia brings much to the worlds of music. Curious what is in you iTunes rotation?

Mostly techno stuff.

Also, surprisingly, some really good flamenco guitar, and Arabic-inspired stuff.

Some might be from former Russian nations, but some is straight from St. Petersburg.

I’m not really in a position, at the moment, to find the various songs. I have a big library, and it takes a while to find stuff.

I have very eclectic tastes.

Re: Russia killed its tech industry

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Post by diimdeep » Sun, Apr 23, 2023, 2:58 PM UTC

diimdeep wrote: post #43

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This down vote parade is nothing more than proof of how poor information diet certain people have, while reality bubbles are so thick and adversarial, it is almost impossible for them to get out of it or for different perspective to get in.

Re: Russia killed its tech industry

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Post by amanaplanacanal » Sun, Apr 23, 2023, 2:59 PM UTC

pseg134 wrote: post #55

qumpis wrote: post #39

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Is this a joke in Russia, i.e. people referring to him as black in order to lessen the view of Russia's outlook to foreigners? I've never heard people refer to Pushkin as being black (and his parents indeed aren't), besides his great grandfather.

I guess you can tell us the percentage of someone’s blood that has to be black for them to be black. What is the percentage?

In America it seems to have more to do with culture than ancestry. I would bet that there are lots of people that think of themselves as white whose ancestors came over on slavers ships.

Of course if you could trace ancestry back far enough we are all black.

Re: Russia killed its tech industry

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Post by thriftwy » Sun, Apr 23, 2023, 3:01 PM UTC

waihtis wrote: post #81

yogthos wrote: post #71

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Now have a think how different things would look if Russia would've been an more liberal europeanesque superpower instead of a communist kleptocracy.

Russia was not accepted to integrate with EU. The position of EU pretty much being "you stay here and sell us oil while we integrate all your new neighbours".

There's a famous long read about it (you can use machine translation) https://sputnikipogrom.com/politics/30301/story-of-faded-lov...

Re: Russia killed its tech industry

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Post by thriftwy » Sun, Apr 23, 2023, 3:02 PM UTC

justsomehnguy wrote: post #110

The best quote is at the end: > “I’m ready to come back to Russia, but under certain conditions,” she says. “I don’t want to live in a country where Putin is the president. I don’t want to live in a country that starts wars. ”

They did not want to live in a country that starts wars so they went to Turkey, Israel and the USA.

Ba-dum-tss.

Re: Russia killed its tech industry

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Post by Brian_K_White » Sun, Apr 23, 2023, 3:03 PM UTC

kelipso wrote: post #29

ChrisMarshallNY wrote: post #13

I find it heartbreaking. I grew up in the Cold War (my father was in the CIA). Russians were considered brutish, non-creative, and untrustworthy. Then, the Berlin Wall came down, and everything changed. I started to see amazing creativity come from Russia. Music, technology, art, actors, dance, all kinds of stuff. I loved working with Russian engineers. They were some of the best techs I'd worked with. I have a lot o…

Russia and US were political enemies. > Russians were considered brutish, non-creative, and untrustworthy. Russia and US stopped being political enemies. > I started to see amazing creativity come from Russia. Russia and US started being political enemies again. > Russians are considered brutish, non-creative, and untrustworthy. It's not really clear but I think I'm starting to see a pattern here.

Did I miss the memo where we invaded Canada or Mexico?

Re: Russia killed its tech industry

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Post by yostrovs » Sun, Apr 23, 2023, 3:04 PM UTC

thriftwy wrote: post #87

asats wrote: post #67

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The russian old believers in Brazil is the first example that comes to mind https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17-3EGQ1aAw

The preservation of rural everyday culture, dress and habits is a nice thing, but Russians in general are an urbanized nation whose culture is in books, music sheets and moving pictures. I doubt that Latin American Old Believers produce, or even retain, much of these.

You're referring to Soviet culture mostly, particularly in regards to film.

Re: Russia killed its tech industry

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Post by rvba » Sun, Apr 23, 2023, 3:09 PM UTC

The elephant in the room is how many of those Russian programmers who run away from Russia are FSB / GRU assets.

Even if they are not spies, their parents or grandparents are probably still in Russia, so the state has methods to blackmail them into spying.

Re: Russia killed its tech industry

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Post by ghostwriter » Sun, Apr 23, 2023, 3:17 PM UTC

asats wrote: post #78

qzw wrote: post #45

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>> Most of the brightest ones have left the country I feel like that needs to be qualified? Maybe ages 20-40 and of a certain social-economic class can leave fairly easily, but it’s gotta be much harder to leave if you’re too young, too old, too poor, have too few connections, or have aged parents, young children, etc.

Well, that's what I mean, a million of the 20-40 age group of a certain socioeconomic class, with relevant skills, a lot of ambition and not many dependents. Those are the exact group to start new things and do a lot of good, and my point was that maybe the world is better off with them in the more productive countries vs even the pre-war Russia.

You’re conflating a group of pro-western enterprise software developers - with little to no adulthood responsibilities aside their work, due to their age - with a group of the brightest folks.