Ah, good times when BBC Documentaries had actually high quality documentaries. Fascinating how their investigative journalism got all the way down to hunting people who talk trash on Facebook and exposing them. Are these really the most substantial social conflicts Britain has to worry about?
BBC confronts Facebook troll
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#62Earlier quoted context omitted.
From Facebook's standpoint I would imagine that these are viewed as completely independent policies. On one hand Facebook does not want to censor discussion, on the other Facebook does not want to host explicit images. The distinction that you draw above simply has to do with their definition of what is an explicit image. Would you make the same argument if we were talking about Holocaust deniers and personal pornogr…
Yes I absolutely would make the same argument. The moment you begin to moderate your medium, you accept responsibility for it. I’m not saying anything in this discussion about whether FB is right or wrong to allow hate material, just that they cannot hide behind “We abhor it but believe we should not censor discussion.” UPDATE: I have no idea, but I am curious: Can you write porn on FB? Soft-core? Hard-core? As sugge…
Since facebook allows US users under 18 years of age, don't they have a legal obligation not to host porn?
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#63Earlier quoted context omitted.
From Facebook's standpoint I would imagine that these are viewed as completely independent policies. On one hand Facebook does not want to censor discussion, on the other Facebook does not want to host explicit images. The distinction that you draw above simply has to do with their definition of what is an explicit image. Would you make the same argument if we were talking about Holocaust deniers and personal pornogr…
Yes I absolutely would make the same argument. The moment you begin to moderate your medium, you accept responsibility for it. I’m not saying anything in this discussion about whether FB is right or wrong to allow hate material, just that they cannot hide behind “We abhor it but believe we should not censor discussion.” UPDATE: I have no idea, but I am curious: Can you write porn on FB? Soft-core? Hard-core? As sugge…
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#64Earlier quoted context omitted.
From Facebook's standpoint I would imagine that these are viewed as completely independent policies. On one hand Facebook does not want to censor discussion, on the other Facebook does not want to host explicit images. The distinction that you draw above simply has to do with their definition of what is an explicit image. Would you make the same argument if we were talking about Holocaust deniers and personal pornogr…
So maybe it's a photo/text distinction. Is anyone posting Nazi/skinhead photos on FB? Are they getting blocked?
I think you are still missing what I meant.
I think it's a Content vs Pornography distinction. If we wanted to test it, I think the question to ask would be are they blocking explicit text as well, say erotic stories, or even just swear words? I know that some portions of their platform do automatically censor certain words (for example website comments), so it would be interesting to see to what level that policy is policed.
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#65It's mental illness folks.
We don't accept it because it's abhorrent behavior but these people need mental health help. Getting them to seek help is a nearly impossible task though.
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#66Am I the obliging who dislikes giving this jackass notoriety? Ignore the trolls, don't feed them.
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#67Commenting on this particular troll is probably beneath the majority of us. However, on a general note, I think it is important to realize that every text message you send, every cell phone conversation you have, every post to the CNN forum you make, every tweet you send ... is directly attributable to your IP whether you use your own name or not. With Facebook and Google tracking everything you do, whether you are l…
While your advice is generally sound, I'm concerned about the implied exhortation to self-censorship of controversial, but legitimate, views that it carries with it. Really, 20 years from now, if they're doing those kinds of background checks, will the checker care more that the checkee trolled some RIP group, or espoused support for Wikileaks? Will they care more that the checkee called someone "a fucking retard" on the comments of a blog post, or that they wrote a post arguing in favor of fighting back against cops who attack citizens?
Ultimately, the obnoxious-but-innocuous comments are just noise; it's the political views that run counter to the mainstream that will raise the most flags, and which require the most freedom from censorship, self- or otherwise.
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#68It's mental illness folks. We don't accept it because it's abhorrent behavior but these people need mental health help. Getting them to seek help is a nearly impossible task though.
I would expect only 2/10 of these treatments to succeed.
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#69Commenting on this particular troll is probably beneath the majority of us. However, on a general note, I think it is important to realize that every text message you send, every cell phone conversation you have, every post to the CNN forum you make, every tweet you send ... is directly attributable to your IP whether you use your own name or not. With Facebook and Google tracking everything you do, whether you are l…
While your advice is generally sound, I'm concerned about the implied exhortation to self-censorship of controversial, but legitimate, views that it carries with it. Really, 20 years from now, if they're doing those kinds of background checks, will the checker care more that the checkee trolled some RIP group, or espoused support for Wikileaks? Will they care more that the checkee called someone "a fucking retard" on…
Each checker will not do the digging themselves, rather, companies like Palantir will offer info products like "Individual Troll Quotient" or "Online Political Summary" which will be used in the same way credit profiles are for lending. This already exists above board with systems like Klout, and in the background a number of companies sell services like these to marketers.
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#70Commenting on this particular troll is probably beneath the majority of us. However, on a general note, I think it is important to realize that every text message you send, every cell phone conversation you have, every post to the CNN forum you make, every tweet you send ... is directly attributable to your IP whether you use your own name or not. With Facebook and Google tracking everything you do, whether you are l…
I've run forums for a long time and bullying surfaces frequently. Most trolls use Tor nowadays. Only very rarely do I get traceable IP addresses that can be dealt with in any meaningful way, and that's usually when there is an invasion of trolls for a day or two and some drop their guard. The only time I've ever successfully stopped a troll was about a decade ago when I traced it back to a uni and was able to raise a…
Tor is nice, but how long will it take until textual analysis against a large corpus becomes available to everyone with an interest? We already have fairly advanced plagiarism detection mechanisms and Bayesian spam filters; similar ideas allow author-identification.
I would, in fact, be somewhat surprised if nobody has proposed deploying this kind of thing against, say, Anonymous.