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Re: Russia killed its tech industry

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Post by ajuc »

phillipcarter wrote: post #28
0xDEF wrote: post #26

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>a major blunder On the contrary this war is Putin's multiyear bet on Russia's useful idiots in the West. US Republicans overwhelmingly supported US military aid to Ukraine in the beginning of the war. However Tucker Carlson and other populists spend the next 12 months lowering that support to less than 40%. The only reason Russia started this war is because they believed their useful idiots in the West will save the…

> They are yet to be proved wrong. I'm confused. Hasn't the US and EU given incredible military aide to Ukraine?

Enough to defend. Not enough to win decisively. Timing matters. If EU and USA provided the help that they did but in the first 6 months - Ukraine would have already won. But the help is drip-fed to Ukraine, supposedly to "not escalate". The result is that the war that could be already over is dragging on, and eventually people will stop helping for one reason or another.

If we want a quick win for Ukraine we should send weapons much quicker and without silly distinctions like (offensive vs defensive weapons in 2022 or like long vs short range missiles now).

It's like instead of curing people with antibiotics in 2 weeks you split the pills into 1/64th parts and cured them for 1 year. You're not really curing them - you're growing antibiotic-resistant bacteria at that point.

Re: Russia killed its tech industry

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Post by moonchrome »

meitham wrote: post #15
actionfromafar wrote: post #11

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Good thing Russia is known to be such a welcoming environment for people of colour.

The greatest Russian writer ever was black, Alexander Pushkin. Further the Russians tend to sympathise with subjects of racism as they for the most parts of the previous centuries were subjected to racism by countries to the west of them.

> The greatest Russian writer ever was black, Alexander Pushkin.

Is this using the Elizabeth Warren native american logic ?

Re: Russia killed its tech industry

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Post by qzw »

asats wrote: post #30
ChrisMarshallNY wrote: post #13

I find it heartbreaking. I grew up in the Cold War (my father was in the CIA). Russians were considered brutish, non-creative, and untrustworthy. Then, the Berlin Wall came down, and everything changed. I started to see amazing creativity come from Russia. Music, technology, art, actors, dance, all kinds of stuff. I loved working with Russian engineers. They were some of the best techs I'd worked with. I have a lot o…

Most of the brightest ones have left the country, so I do wonder if it might result in being a net positive for the world, moving a million brightest people from a decaying autocracy into the functional countries with good management, potential investors and a culture of innovation. Russian culture in Russia might be done for though, at least for a while.

>> Most of the brightest ones have left the country

I feel like that needs to be qualified? Maybe ages 20-40 and of a certain social-economic class can leave fairly easily, but it’s gotta be much harder to leave if you’re too young, too old, too poor, have too few connections, or have aged parents, young children, etc.

Re: Russia killed its tech industry

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Post by bitL »

tpm wrote: post #14
the_mitsuhiko wrote: post #7

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While Russia's reputation is in shatters in the west, I'm not sure if this is true for India, China, Pakistan and other countries. Also Russia's Wagner troupes are currently kicking out European ones in Africa, so I wouldn't be surprised if the reputation of Russia will be good enough for immigration in Africa either. This might very well be a solvable problem for Russia if they really want to.

Russia's attractivity to foreign workers depends the availability of convertible money (sending money out of Russia is currently probably a bit of a problem and will stay so for a long time) and their security (which is probably not a given, with the rise of fascist state the security of foreign workers will not be the highest item on the list). So while everyone likes oil money, not many people will be likely to imm…

2/3 of world's population won't have any issue converting currency to yuan if BRICS decide to use it for mutual commerce (though I doubt a WW3 won't happen before this happens).

Re: Russia killed its tech industry

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Post by shjake »

meitham wrote: post #15
actionfromafar wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Good thing Russia is known to be such a welcoming environment for people of colour.

The greatest Russian writer ever was black, Alexander Pushkin. Further the Russians tend to sympathise with subjects of racism as they for the most parts of the previous centuries were subjected to racism by countries to the west of them.

> ever was black

1/64th black…

Re: Russia killed its tech industry

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Post by vaccarium »

actionfromafar wrote: post #11
the_mitsuhiko wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While Russia's reputation is in shatters in the west, I'm not sure if this is true for India, China, Pakistan and other countries. Also Russia's Wagner troupes are currently kicking out European ones in Africa, so I wouldn't be surprised if the reputation of Russia will be good enough for immigration in Africa either. This might very well be a solvable problem for Russia if they really want to.

Good thing Russia is known to be such a welcoming environment for people of colour.

Russia isn't known as welcoming to Central Asians either, yet they still (used to?) come there to work. Money talks.

Re: Russia killed its tech industry

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Post by timonoko »

There never was any real high tech industry. Everything good was done in gulags which my Russian schoolbook called "Nauki Gorods" ie science towns. Everything else was substandard garbage.

However under harsh military rule labor camps work well to produce high tech. German V2-rockets and Curta calculators prove that. But there is time limit for that. You will run out of people.

Re: Russia killed its tech industry

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Post by biorach »

gumballindie wrote: post #37
kelipso wrote: post #29

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Russia and US were political enemies. > Russians were considered brutish, non-creative, and untrustworthy. Russia and US stopped being political enemies. > I started to see amazing creativity come from Russia. Russia and US started being political enemies again. > Russians are considered brutish, non-creative, and untrustworthy. It's not really clear but I think I'm starting to see a pattern here.

Yeah one of the two is constantly brutalising its neighbours, while the other is busy building tech and defending smaller, but freedom loving, countries. Our grandparents told us stories about the russian army that many found hard to believe. And here we are proven that they were right all along.

>defending smaller, but freedom loving, countries

You mean America was doing the defending? That's hilarious.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_involvement_in...

And then there's the horror show of American intervention in South East Asia, and then there's the meddle, I mean Middle East.

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