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Rich Dad Poor Dad... Worst Personal Finance Book of All Time?

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Re: Rich Dad Poor Dad... Worst Personal Finance Book of All Time?

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Tax breaks. A surprisingly large portion of the book is in praise (what's the opposite of a screed?) of having a company you control pay for your meals, car, and house so you avoid personal income tax.

Anyone familiar with this able to give a quick overview of the legality of this? I've looked into this before and it sounded to me like doing this too much (e.g. all your meals?) is dishonest and/or illegal.

One common method to convert business money to personal money is to personally buy the building your company is in and have your company rent it from you. You're given significant latitude to set the rent

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> The premise of the book is solid; invest in assets that make money for you without you having to be there. Sounds like a recipe to hand your money over to scamsters. Esp as it was proven out by "Income generating real estate" in the past decade.

My grandparents live off "income generating real estate", and my father is on his way (it's his nest egg for his retirement). They were not "flipping" properties; rather, they bought good properties when the market wasn't inflated, and rented them, maintaining them and keeping the tentants happy. It does take some work, not as much as being employed of course, but you have to be on top of things and it takes some min…

> maintaining them

What?! How is that consistent with "invest in assets that make money for you without you having to be there"?

Obviously I'm snarking. The idea that you can generate money and do no work is fertile ground for self-help hucksters.

BTW: I've never met any landlord who ever believed that they weren't earning every penny, and who didn' have scars to show for it.

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This person severely misread the book. I could give quite a few examples from the writing. For instance, the child labor issue he brings up is ridiculous - "Rich Dad" obviously didn't benefit from this labor in any financial way. The premise of the book is solid; invest in assets that make money for you without you having to be there. He specifically says in the book a few times that he doesn't necessarily advocate r…

The idea of a "passive investment" is a joke. The example of a web app as a passive investment is crazy -- how many apps exist that won't require support, ongoing maintenance, etc? That's significant work. Stocks, bonds, mutual funds -- the returns here are small enough that you can't generate income to live on without a huge up-front investment. If you could manage a consistent 8% yield you'd be doing well, and it w…

"Real estate -- I know a couple of part-time landlords, and this is not passive work. They have to deal with tenants, maintenance, etc. Sure, you can hire a property manager, but that cuts into your returns."

I posted somewhere down the thread that this has been my observation from watching my grandparents and father manage their investment properties (which were their retirement fund as retirement money in Uruguay is only good for basic survival).

"f something is profitable (easy money), then other people will enter the market and the profitability will decline"

Yep, but as you said, there are psychological barriers of entry which make the "short-term" profitability good enough for an individual, yet bad for foreign investors.

For example, you can make a 12% profit off real estate rentals here in Uruguay now, it's shifting downwards due to the market pressure, but for us locals it looks like a low-risk, high-reward investment opportunity, but for people in the developed world, the perceived risk of investing in a South American country is too great (and I'd agree, they need a local partner to avoid getting fleeced by the government, or investing in the wrong places, etc... local knowledge basically).

As it usually happens, I'm currently in debt and cannot take advantage of the investment opportunities (fortunately my parents and grandparents can :) ).

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"Personal self-discipline is the #1 delineating factor between the rich, the poor and the middle class"

The main takeaway point for me, and the most influential. Fresh out of college, I make several times the amount of money my entire family was raised on.

I have not played my hand at entrepreneurship yet (I have a regular job), but discipline is exactly what my poor family lacks. They are very gifted in terms of talent, passion, strong work ethic, but without financial discipline times were always tough growing up.

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This person severely misread the book. I could give quite a few examples from the writing. For instance, the child labor issue he brings up is ridiculous - "Rich Dad" obviously didn't benefit from this labor in any financial way. The premise of the book is solid; invest in assets that make money for you without you having to be there. He specifically says in the book a few times that he doesn't necessarily advocate r…

"Rich Dad" does seriously advocate real estate, not to the exclusion of those other options but certainly above them. Real estate stands out mostly because of the leverage that a mortgage can provide: you can control the income and appreciation of a $250,000 asset with only $50k of actual capital. You can't get 5-to-1 leverage on stocks or other such passive investments. That said, real estate is certainly no magic b…

"You can't get 5-to-1 leverage on stocks or other such passive investments."

You can get much more than that. For one example: buy the 30 Year Treasury Bond Future. A single futures contract is for a value of $100,000 but will cost you margin of $4,185. That's nearly 24 to 1! See here:

http://www.ccstrade.com/futures/US/margin/

Re: Rich Dad Poor Dad... Worst Personal Finance Book of All Time?

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"the most important message in the book is that business and entrepreneurship is the path to success" No, it may be one of the best paths to wealth and independence --unless you're born into wealth already -- but it's not necessarily a path to success. My parents worked themselves to the bone in business, were repeatedly screwed by business partners and banks. It didn't give them one bit of gratification. My mother w…

There's definitely a lot of examples of non-entrepreneurs being happy and content with life. The message from RDPD I've mentioned is not about success in personal life, but financial success. And yes, there's tons of examples of businesses failing, nobody said it was easy, etc. Another of Kiyosaki's arguments that I agree with on this matter is that sure, you can become very rich and successful doctor/lawyer/athlete/…

I find it also depends on what profession you're in. It's tough to be content if you're a programmer and a non-entrepreneur vs being a teacher/non-entrepreneur, or social network, or nurse.

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A couple months ago there was an article about people in NY who wanted to charge $3K+ to teach others how to program in Ruby. HN went ballistic, "How could you charge so much when you can learn it all on the Internet?" Yet for some reason when the field isn't exactly an area of expertise for most HN readers, and the author of the book is giving only common sense financial advice, you get tons of people here saying th…

I think it's because people tend to discount what they know.

Re: Rich Dad Poor Dad... Worst Personal Finance Book of All Time?

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I'm always fascinated as to why people on this board fervently defend scammy self-help books. Tim Ferris' completely phony 4-hour series provoked a similar reaction.

I like the RDPD book*, but I couldn't even stomach the 4-hour work day. From page one, it screamed 100% false. Felt like I'd have to be retarded to believe any of it. Strangely, I haven't heard others say the same.

It's "4-hour work WEEK" :-)

I loved it. It's a motivational book, but as a disclaimer, I had my "muse" (business with passive income) already running before I read that book. I also had a day job, which I have quit now (actually, by the end of next week). The 4HWW gave me a strong impulse to do the step and quit my job.

And someone else mentioned here already: 4HWW is to give you a mindset. It worked pretty well for me.

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