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Re: System D

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Post by layer8 »

jet_32951 wrote: post #37
clbrmbr wrote: post #32

Now I finally know what my Swiss mother-in-law says when the normal tablecloth is dirty and we need to improvise. I thought “oh it’s like Plan B”, but never got why it’s D…. Now I get that D is a euphemism for “out of the shit” (démerde).

Could be but my understanding is the D stands for débrouiller (se débrouiller = take oneself out of the fog). Kind of like the American "National Awareness Day" where people are encouraged to extract their heads and take note of the people in their surroundings.

(Se) débrouiller really means “to get by”/“to make do”/“to cope”/“to manage (be able to handle)”. Système D refers to managing a situation with a make-shift or unconventional solution.

Re: System D

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Post by NeutralForest »

sfrigon wrote: post #47
jszymborski wrote: post #43

I might be dense, but I really have little idea of what System D _actually_ is in practice after reading this. Can anyone ELI5 what it is in practice? What are some of the ideas that allows one to débrouiller, etc... ?

Well I was raised in French and my dad would use this expression from time to time. (I didn't read the whole wiki page, I'm just answering based on my experience) It meant "being resourceful" & ingenious. Don't always expect someone else to help you in order to achieve something, or don't just give up at the first problem you encounter. e.g. Something is heavy to lift and you expected someone stronger to be there to…

I speak French and it's typically used in that context indeed.

Re: System D

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Post by thih9 »

So: responding to difficulties by taking shortcuts, disregarding regulations, sometimes cheating, all to achieve your goal or a semblance of it.

Hustle?

Re: System D

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Post by eric-burel »

polpo wrote: post #34

About 10 years ago I applied for a software engineering job at a startup that had the title “System D Engineer.” I thought it was the perfect distillation of what it’s like being an engineer at an early stage startup. I got the offer and I probably should have taken it. It would have been interesting and the startup had a successful exit!

I worked with an engineer that did an internship in "low-tech innovations", he basically designed system D solution in Brazil, I think to irrigate fields or smth alike Very very cool stuff

Re: System D

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Post by moffkalast »

sfrigon wrote: post #47
jszymborski wrote: post #43

I might be dense, but I really have little idea of what System D _actually_ is in practice after reading this. Can anyone ELI5 what it is in practice? What are some of the ideas that allows one to débrouiller, etc... ?

Well I was raised in French and my dad would use this expression from time to time. (I didn't read the whole wiki page, I'm just answering based on my experience) It meant "being resourceful" & ingenious. Don't always expect someone else to help you in order to achieve something, or don't just give up at the first problem you encounter. e.g. Something is heavy to lift and you expected someone stronger to be there to…

I wonder if systemd in Linux was named after this, given that it's a collection of services to help you do things, even 3rd party or ad hoc ones made by yourself.

Re: System D

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Post by astrobe_ »

doe88 wrote: post #74
jszymborski wrote: post #43

I might be dense, but I really have little idea of what System D _actually_ is in practice after reading this. Can anyone ELI5 what it is in practice? What are some of the ideas that allows one to débrouiller, etc... ?

Pratically, it's The A-Team .

Yes, and perhaps even more the MacGyver show. But those references are getting quite old.

Re: System D

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Post by Hackbraten »

moffkalast wrote: post #86
sfrigon wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well I was raised in French and my dad would use this expression from time to time. (I didn't read the whole wiki page, I'm just answering based on my experience) It meant "being resourceful" & ingenious. Don't always expect someone else to help you in order to achieve something, or don't just give up at the first problem you encounter. e.g. Something is heavy to lift and you expected someone stronger to be there to…

I wonder if systemd in Linux was named after this, given that it's a collection of services to help you do things, even 3rd party or ad hoc ones made by yourself.

Unlikely, given that systemd started out as a remake of Upstart and Apple’s launchd, or launch daemon. [0]

The article says the authors of systemd initially considered building upon either but ultimately decided to start from scratch for technical reasons.

[0]: https://0pointer.de/blog/projects/systemd.html

Re: System D

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Post by Hackbraten »

paulgb wrote: post #7
rurban wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not, it's not. systemd just stands for system daemon.

That’s what I think too, but FWIW, geocrasher is quoting the “see also” section of the article. It doesn’t have a citation and I can’t find any other references to it, though.

Poettering more or less establishes that systemd was directly inspired by both Upstart and launchd: [0]

> I hope that I managed to explain in the text above why we came up with something new, instead of building on Upstart or launchd.

That, and another dozen mentions of launchd whenever it talks about socket and bus activation, strongly suggests to me that the “d” would be for daemon, just like in launchd.

[0]: https://0pointer.de/blog/projects/systemd.html

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