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iOS 17 app sideloading might only be available in Europe

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Re: iOS 17 app sideloading might only be available in Europe

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Post by wiseowise »

wildpeaks wrote: post #307

I wouldn't be surprised if Google pushes its own iOS marketplace: first by making an exclusive Blink-based Chrome to get people to open up their phones if they want to download "the real Chrome". Then there is little friction to get people to install more (because the hard part is already done), and they could even merge Android and iOS into a single marketplace for mobile apps.

> I wouldn't be surprised if Google pushes its own iOS marketplace: first by making an exclusive Blink-based Chrome to get people to open up their phones if they want to download "the real Chrome".

Who even cares about Chrome on iOS?

https://gs.statcounter.com/browser-market-share/mobile/north...

Re: iOS 17 app sideloading might only be available in Europe

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Post by wiseowise »

mirekrusin wrote: post #302

They should just allow installing other operating systems instead. If you want out of their platform, install Linux OS on your phone and have whatever you want there. Wouldn't that make everybody happy - Apple, EU and customers?

That should be the next step, yes.

Re: iOS 17 app sideloading might only be available in Europe

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Post by black3r »

canucker2016 wrote: post #106
superkuh wrote: post #14

Even if this is small progress the headlines and framing of the story are still doublespeak. Installing applications on your computer is the normal state of things. Walled gardens and not having control of your computer is the new weird thing. The word "sideloading" is a feudal concept and it's unquestioned use is dangerous for society. Properly stated this story title is, "Installing applications on iOS 17 might be…

From a personal-computer-user point of view, installing an app from any source is normal. For pre-iPhone cellphone users, your cellphone network operator controlled access to what apps were available for installation. This is was the most common, if not the only, method for cellphone app distribution. App makers (mostly java games) paid to get on that first page of downloadable apps. I'd add some references but Googl…

On most pre-iPhone cellphones you could install any .jar file, but there were 2 challenges:

Finding a .jar file that works on your phone was the biggest. Games often only supported a single screen resolution and so there were multiple .jar files for each game and you had to find the right one for your phone. Also sometimes even if you had the right screen resolution the .jar just crashed when you started it without any clue as to what's wrong (probably they needed more RAM or some platform specific code, but I was in high school back then so I didn't know much more about it)

In the early days, there was also the issue of how to get that .jar file to your phone. I distinctly remember old Nokia phones could download them through WAP (which was paid) or receive them through IrDA/Bluetooth, but themselves couldn't send applications through IrDA/Bluetooth (I think Sony Ericssons were the ones which could also send them....), This issue was later solved by microSD cards and USB cable transfers from PC.

Re: iOS 17 app sideloading might only be available in Europe

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Post by wiseowise »

josephcsible wrote: post #2

Hasn't Apple always said the reason they don't allow sideloading was that it'd be impossible without compromising security? So are they claiming their European iDevices won't be secure anymore, or are they admitting they were lying before and that the real reason was nothing but greed?

You know what's the most secure device? The one that doesn't work.

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Post by wiseowise »

miramba wrote: post #47
superkuh wrote: post #14

Even if this is small progress the headlines and framing of the story are still doublespeak. Installing applications on your computer is the normal state of things. Walled gardens and not having control of your computer is the new weird thing. The word "sideloading" is a feudal concept and it's unquestioned use is dangerous for society. Properly stated this story title is, "Installing applications on iOS 17 might be…

I used to think the same way, but not anymore. The amount and variety of attacks on the devices have increased too much in the last years. The device could be encrypted, money could be stolen, some malware could sit silently and do surveillance for who knows. I always wanted to install software on my iPhone without the manufacturing company deciding what I can and can not have (according to californian standards!), b…

> Regular users don‘t need to install software on their own anymore, the same as they don‘t need to put processors, storage and Monitors together or install a sound card.

Uhuh, sure.

"Shut your mouth, pay and be happy"

Re: iOS 17 app sideloading might only be available in Europe

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Post by Vespasian »

red_trumpet wrote: post #342
neximo64 wrote: post #212

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The issue about distribution is never the technical aspect you are describing, it's about getting people to visit that website/app store in the first place. If it were that aspect aspect companies like T-Mobile, Equinix, Vodafone, Orange would dominate it. Even after the the app store is available in Europe, these companies have no chance of success. That is what it looks like will be very undesirable because it will…

How would "charging for sideloading" work? If I publish an app on my website, I wouldn't have a contract with apple, right? Would they charge the user?

They could try some shenanigans like requiring "certification" to side load anything and that would come with a contract.

It would be struck down by the courts and version 2 of this regulation but for a few years it would be there.

I'm hoping apple doesn't do that but at this point I think they'll try anything they can to protect their golden goose (aka app store) even from minor competition.

Re: iOS 17 app sideloading might only be available in Europe

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Post by DuckFeathers »

jpalomaki wrote: post #180

I think Apple has also done good things with their strict app store policies (from my consumer point of view). Apple has been for example putting limits on data collection and tracking. The main mechanism is to kick apps out from Apps store if they don't play by the rules. I'm worried that side loading will be a step back here. Strong players, like Facebook, may just take their app away from the official store and di…

> I think Apple has also done good things with their strict app store policies

Apple could have hidden the settings to enable it behind two levels of menu settings and anyone like you would never get to it. The only reason they have "strict" policies, as has been shown over and over again, is for their commercial benefit.

> Apple has been for example putting limits on data collection and tracking.

I want to be tracked by apps, because it leads to better ads for products that I am actually looking for (than some random garbage that I don't care about)... and better usability in general. Apple put those rules in place so that their ad business has the edge over competitors. If Apple was running in a country that was not corrupt, this would be seen as anti-competitive and they would be sued.

> Strong players, like Facebook, may just take their app away from the official store and distribute it through other ways.

And? If you want clear rules on tracking, go talk to your politician. Apple is blocking competitors from tracking users while it has access to all of users data and uses it for their $5 billion revenue business.

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Post by [deleted] »

shaky-carrousel wrote: post #245
tonyedgecombe wrote: post #218

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Those who will steal will steal and those who will pay will pay anyway. That's not been my experience. Every time a crack appeared for my software sales went down. Every time I strengthened the licensing software sales went up. This is for B2B software, god knows what it is like if you sell to consumers.

I lost the access to Rubymine and switched to vs code. If I can't have it free, I switch. I won't post for it, it's not worth it.

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