I wonder if they considered an "iPhone Europe Edition" - USB-C, side loading, physical SIM cards. Sounds like a good phone!
Sounds like a lot of changes, wonder how big the lag between the world and European version will be.
iOS 17 app sideloading might only be available in Europe
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That I can just take the SIM out and put it in a different phone? what's the migration process for eSIMs?
Better: it’s a menu option. https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT212780 eSIMs also have the advantage of an activation card can be sent instantly from almost anywhere (it’s a QR code) which is great if your phone (and physical sim) are lost or damaged.
In theory eSIM allows for self service without going to a store or waiting for shipping. In practice you might be on hold with your phone company for an hour. Some USA MVNOs don’t support eSIM.
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As a further separate but distinct response: You are justifying why a monopoly app store is bad by showing a hack that resulted from downloading an app (xcode) from a source other than the app store. Security firm Palo Alto Networks surmised that because network speeds were slower in China, developers in the country looked for local copies of the Apple Xcode development environment, and encountered altered versions t…
This just shows that the App Store model is insufficient for user security, as the the security model was supposed to prevent malware from being distributed to users in the first place, no matter what malicious developers upload to the App Store. If Apple treats Xcode as App Store blessed because it believes it came from blessed sources like the App Store, instead of using real security measures, exploits will contin…
I can't give you a black and white response because I don't think the issue is as black and white as most seem to.
I think the app store is a tool and I think it is a powerful and useful tool. Can the tool be used for good? of course. Can it also be used for bad? most definitely. Can it be wielded poorly? yes.
I've used windows, linux, apple, and android, and I like Apple's environment the best. That environment is a consequence of apples choices. Apple limits my choices and I like that. I like having less choices. I don't want to have to think about software security, I want to think about how to spend time with my friends, and apple is a an environment that lets me think about how best to spend time with friends instead of thinking about software security.
Apple's restriction of my choices benefits me. I want apple to restrict my choices. I want there to be only one way to get apps on my device. That simplifies my life. I will pay more to have a more simple life. I will pay someone else to make better choices than I can make with my limited time. I want to do that.
If you don't like that, then don't use Apple. There is a perfectly working alternative to apple that you can use if you want to experience other choices. Apple has a monopoly on apple devices, but apple by no means has a monopoly on smart phones. I'm not sure there are even any major apps exclusive to apple. Apple is better because apple has more money to spend.
> Microsoft is able to do the same thing with Windows Defender without using the App Store model at all.
If apple scanned the apps I side-loaded and reported information about them to their servers that would upset me, that feels like a privacy violation.
Apple's bullying of companies with monopoly power to force privacy labels won me over greatly. They have a lot of good will for that. If apple continues to do things like that, I will continue to support an app store monopoly.
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>Installing applications on your computer is the normal state of things. It really wasn't. It wasn't normal to install arbitrary applications on the computers in your fridge, dishwasher, game consoles, flip phones, washing machines, etc. Platforms have varied over time in how open they are to having other people developing for them. iOS is an example of a more closed platform and has shown that closed platforms can b…
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You can’t (officially) install arbitrary software on a PlayStation. Explain how describing a PlayStation as “x86” is in any way relevant to anything anyone was talking about.
Your response sounds like a bullshit which, in my opinion, it is. Stop speaking like that please.
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You need the carrier to offer eSIM, of course, but then you can just store a bunch of eSIMs on your iPhone and switch which one is active in the Settings app.
I think the GP question was how to migrate your eSIM to another phone. You can transfer the sim but it needs to be activated on the other phone. I have even seen reactivation charges of €5.
I’ve heard of that but never ran into it myself. Isn’t that also the case for some carriers with physical SIMs too?
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#136Even if this is small progress the headlines and framing of the story are still doublespeak. Installing applications on your computer is the normal state of things. Walled gardens and not having control of your computer is the new weird thing. The word "sideloading" is a feudal concept and it's unquestioned use is dangerous for society. Properly stated this story title is, "Installing applications on iOS 17 might be…
From a personal-computer-user point of view, installing an app from any source is normal. For pre-iPhone cellphone users, your cellphone network operator controlled access to what apps were available for installation. This is was the most common, if not the only, method for cellphone app distribution. App makers (mostly java games) paid to get on that first page of downloadable apps. I'd add some references but Googl…
It was the most common, but not the only method.
You could (at least on Nokia phones) go to any wap site and download a .jad/.jar straight to your phone.
I did that a lot on my series 30 (3510i).
I think other manufacturers allowed that as well, but I could only use the "free wap browsing trick" on Nokia phones, so I never explored that.
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We focus too much on criticizing language instead of ideas. IMHO, this just leads to tiresome and hollow debates. So, I’ll call that out here. Also, your proposed rewording isn’t correct either because installing applications is already allowed. You can debate the App Store all you want, but it definitely does let you install apps. On topic: This is silly and Apple should allow sideloading. I don’t buy the security a…
Don't be mistaken: if you control the language, you've set the tone.
Yeah, sure. I get it. But I see a lot of people wasting a lot of time arguing about the definitions of words and how to spin them to try to gain the upper hand in The Discourse. I’m not sure it’s worth it. 1984 may not be a good guide anymore.
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What’s good about physical SIMs? I do like apple for daring to improve the status quo there, so I want my European Edition with only e-simsz
That I can just take the SIM out and put it in a different phone? what's the migration process for eSIMs?
The migration process is, you ask your carrier for a new eSIM. They send you one via QR code. That's pretty much it.
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I think the GP question was how to migrate your eSIM to another phone. You can transfer the sim but it needs to be activated on the other phone. I have even seen reactivation charges of €5.
Yes, about how to move it to another phone, especially when my current phone just died. Maybe I dropped it and now the display no longer works.
Ask your carrier to send you a replacement. They can be delivered by QR code.
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I think you need to look at the system of incentives and alignment If apple's billion dollar app distribution monopoly money hose results in security problems for people, then their billion dollar app distribution monopoly money hose will be in jeopardy since it's justification comes into question. So what you see as a problem is what makes me feel the best about it. Apple is aligned with only secure apps on their st…
It's a poor justification. You can cleanly implement a signing system for trusted developers (they've done it before), and it's obviously possible to distribute iPhone package files. All the pieces are in place, if it weren't for their $80 billion annual hayday then they wouldn't be dying on this hill in particular. Maybe part of it is this security alignment issue, but upon scrutiny it's clearly a small and solvable…
It sounds more like you’re upset about apples revshare model on their channel; Why do you care if all your competitors also have to pay it?
I don’t think the world got better because we got more channels on Tv, and I even think some of them might be dangerous and harmful to life…