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Re: Sundar Pichai received $226M compensation, boosted by a triennial stock grant

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Post by chaostheory »

rcme wrote: post #367
hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #327

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The fact that this is currently the third highest voted comment is just sad. As other sibling commenters have said virtually every sentence here contains ridiculous falsehoods or is just "r/antiwork" levels of nonsense. And it's not that Google doesn't have major problems, a lot of which can be laid at Sundar's feet, or that he's wildly overpaid. It's that these types of reactionary missives just miss the point in ev…

I disagree. The entire tech sector had one of the strongest labor positions in the country for the last decade. It was short sighted not to unionize. Now, layoffs are widespread, compensation is way down, while all the profits go to shareholders. This applies to Google and many other profitable tech companies.

You anti-work guys are again showing your ignorance. A large chunk of techie compensation is in stock.

Re: Sundar Pichai received $226M compensation, boosted by a triennial stock grant

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Post by dopamean »

hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #327
kubb wrote: post #64

The upper management at Google are so lucky that the company is filled with timid people who are averse to change and didn't unionize. Now they can safely siphon the profits for another several years until they inevitably drive the company into the ground when the ad revenue dries up, and they move to similar positions at other places with healthy revenue streams. And the rank-and-file Googlers will defend this becau…

The fact that this is currently the third highest voted comment is just sad. As other sibling commenters have said virtually every sentence here contains ridiculous falsehoods or is just "r/antiwork" levels of nonsense. And it's not that Google doesn't have major problems, a lot of which can be laid at Sundar's feet, or that he's wildly overpaid. It's that these types of reactionary missives just miss the point in ev…

What's the point that everyone's missing?

Re: Sundar Pichai received $226M compensation, boosted by a triennial stock grant

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Post by ur-whale »

andrewstuart wrote: post #59

I simply don’t see what good this CEO has done. He’s destroyed googles reputation with developers. Destroyed customer trust in Google products. Done nothing to fix googles reputation for terrible customer service. Led Google to third place in cloud computing. AND been thrashed by Microsoft / ChatGPT, putting Googles core business at risk. Why is this guy CEO?

> Why is this guy CEO?

"We need to be real thoughtful about this", followed by strictly no decision / action will be the hallmark of Sundar's tenure which I hope will end real soon.

Re: Sundar Pichai received $226M compensation, boosted by a triennial stock grant

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Post by asveikau »

andrewstuart wrote: post #59

I simply don’t see what good this CEO has done. He’s destroyed googles reputation with developers. Destroyed customer trust in Google products. Done nothing to fix googles reputation for terrible customer service. Led Google to third place in cloud computing. AND been thrashed by Microsoft / ChatGPT, putting Googles core business at risk. Why is this guy CEO?

Google was already on a trajectory to do all these things. It doesn't matter who the CEO is.

The big tech co lifecycle includes decline. More than 10 years ago, I figured that Google was a few years behind Microsoft on that trajectory. Edit: and a lot of comments here are saying Satya turned MS around; i find that dubious.

Re: Sundar Pichai received $226M compensation, boosted by a triennial stock grant

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Post by ur-whale »

nxm wrote: post #285
Xelbair wrote: post #177

Earlier quoted context omitted.

so to paraphrase, he is a bean counter.

He’s the Steve Balmer of Google

>He’s the Steve Balmer of Google

No, he isn't. However misguided and ridiculous Balmer was, he at least showed that he was fully alive [1]

Sundar wouldn't be caught dead wearing a sweaty shirt or yelling on a stage. The dude is a fucking wax puppet.

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XxbJw8PrIkc

Re: Sundar Pichai received $226M compensation, boosted by a triennial stock grant

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Post by 1024core »

andrewstuart wrote: post #59

I simply don’t see what good this CEO has done. He’s destroyed googles reputation with developers. Destroyed customer trust in Google products. Done nothing to fix googles reputation for terrible customer service. Led Google to third place in cloud computing. AND been thrashed by Microsoft / ChatGPT, putting Googles core business at risk. Why is this guy CEO?

Investors are too stupid to see what's going on.

Have you seen the ad load (the amount of realestate used by ads) in a search results page? It has gone through the roof.

It used to be a typical Google search ad was: title, 2 lines of text at most, and a URL.

Now you have 10 or more lines in the top ad. Of course as you use more space for ads, revenue will go up. Even an idiot can see that. It's no magic. But yet the leadership in Google acts as if they've done something magical by continuing to grow revenue. Well, d'uh!! Show more ads, get more money!!! This isn't some magical AI thing; it's pure greed at the cost of UX.

Re: Sundar Pichai received $226M compensation, boosted by a triennial stock grant

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Post by pinot »

asveikau wrote: post #374
andrewstuart wrote: post #59

I simply don’t see what good this CEO has done. He’s destroyed googles reputation with developers. Destroyed customer trust in Google products. Done nothing to fix googles reputation for terrible customer service. Led Google to third place in cloud computing. AND been thrashed by Microsoft / ChatGPT, putting Googles core business at risk. Why is this guy CEO?

Google was already on a trajectory to do all these things. It doesn't matter who the CEO is. The big tech co lifecycle includes decline. More than 10 years ago, I figured that Google was a few years behind Microsoft on that trajectory. Edit: and a lot of comments here are saying Satya turned MS around; i find that dubious.

That's kind of the point, if they didnt avoid that trajectory then what are they doing? Going down with the ship?

Re: Sundar Pichai received $226M compensation, boosted by a triennial stock grant

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Post by rcme »

chaostheory wrote: post #371
rcme wrote: post #367

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I disagree. The entire tech sector had one of the strongest labor positions in the country for the last decade. It was short sighted not to unionize. Now, layoffs are widespread, compensation is way down, while all the profits go to shareholders. This applies to Google and many other profitable tech companies.

You anti-work guys are again showing your ignorance. A large chunk of techie compensation is in stock.

What difference does it make what form the compensation is in? Is your argument that because employees receive stock that they somehow have enough voting power to influence company policy? That’s laughable.

Re: Sundar Pichai received $226M compensation, boosted by a triennial stock grant

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Post by dragonwriter »

juujian wrote: post #111
andrewstuart wrote: post #59

I simply don’t see what good this CEO has done. He’s destroyed googles reputation with developers. Destroyed customer trust in Google products. Done nothing to fix googles reputation for terrible customer service. Led Google to third place in cloud computing. AND been thrashed by Microsoft / ChatGPT, putting Googles core business at risk. Why is this guy CEO?

He has been CEO since 2015. Would it be a stretch to blame him for the current company culture of nurturing new products left and right just to kill them off after 3-5 years?

> Would it be a stretch to blame him for the current company culture of nurturing new products left and right just to kill them off after 3-5 years?

“More wood behind fewer arrows” was Google’s direction from Larry Page starting in 2011, which was when they slaughtered a lot of existing and (from Google’s perspective) marginal projects and became a lot more prone to demanding that new efforts prove themselves adequately or be terminated, so Pichai isn’t responsible for starting it, at least.

Re: Sundar Pichai received $226M compensation, boosted by a triennial stock grant

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Post by chaostheory »

lrem wrote: post #221
chaostheory wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You don’t have the full picture. You’re missing a lot of data > And the rank-and-file Googlers will defend this because they think they caught God by the ankles with their 150k/year salary That’s closer to their intern salaries. Total comp is more like double or more Much of the rank and file’s total compensation is also in stock Add to that if you wanted to, you can do the minimum and just coast. No one is going to…

> Add to that if you wanted to, you can do the minimum and just coast. "Coast" a.k.a. perform only the duties as agreed in your contract, without going above and beyond. A.k.a. "quiet quitting", or the preposterous idea that the company doesn't own the time they don't pay you for. I'm a somewhat long-time Googler and really dislike this anti-labour narrative.

It’s not an anti labor narrative. It’s reality. When you start having families, you slow down. Many googlers who want to keep pushing tend to leave Google
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