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Re: Sundar Pichai received $226M compensation, boosted by a triennial stock grant

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Post by lotsofpulp »

cudgy wrote: post #332
lotsofpulp wrote: post #277

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>If anyone is held to a perfect standard The premise does not make sense to me. See: >No one is perfect.

Ok. Can we agree that some people are expected to be more perfect than others? Say the janitor versus the brain surgeon? Or the CEO versus the staff software engineer?

Sure, different people can be expected to have different capabilities. But I don not see how that relates to the context of this comment chain.

Specifically being able to predict the future a few years during and after an unprecedented pandemic.

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Post by polygamous_bat »

echelon wrote: post #303
adastra22 wrote: post #14

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When I was a kid I put a tooth under my pillow and I woke up to find a dollar bill. That right there is more evidence for the tooth fairy than you’ll ever find in favor of CEOs assuming risk.

> That right there is more evidence for the tooth fairy than you’ll ever find in favor of CEOs assuming risk. I quit my $400k/yr fintech job to be CEO of a company whose primary customers use our tool to make Trump and Biden video game memes on TikTok.

The original comment was talking about big-co CEOs. Your company doesn't seem like it would qualify yet :)

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Post by hcks »

lawn wrote: post #101
s1k3s wrote: post #66

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Did he make them money?

Google would still be making a ton of money even with a CEO that did nothing. For a $226M compensation, we should be able to demand a bit more don't you think?

There is no "we". Google's purpose is not to advance peoplekind.

The shareholders decide on the compensation of the CEO, that's literally it.

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Post by lupire »

onos wrote: post #90
spaceman_2020 wrote: post #26

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What's even the risk? If the CEO of Google gets fired, he just ends up as the CEO of another Fortune 500 company. If he can't even land that role, he can just go around pocketing $50k/event speaking fee. Of course, that's only if he doesn't want to degrade himself by taking on a VP-level role at another Fortune 500 company.

226M / 50k ~ 4000 events a year. Poor fellow couldn’t pull that off.

It's triennial.

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Post by lupire »

rvnx wrote: post #40
capableweb wrote: post #6

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> Remind me again how big-co CEOs assume "all the risk"? Does anyone seriously believe this? I see it all the time as a "comeback" against CEOs, but I don't think I've ever seen anyone arguing that they actually are the ones that assume all the risk.

Zuckerberg took "full responsibility" in the last round of failures too. Though he isn't injecting his money back into the company. Full responsibility, but not too much.

The stock price is his full responsibility.

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Post by oezi »

jimsimmons wrote: post #223
oezi wrote: post #51

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Surprising, given that ChatGPT has replaced between 50% and 75% of my searches by volume.

I’m baffled to see comments like this here. To the point that I wonder if HN is basically Twitter at this point. How can you trust a single thing the model says? I ask GPT4 for PPO code, it gives me basic actor critic with a loss with constants added. I ask it about a data filtering technique and it hallucinates concepts, libraries, papers and even companies. It’s good as a fallback to search. Also maybe for judgemen…

I found that GPT-4 is surprisingly trustworthy for my queries which are mostly programming related and focused on common libraries (nothing too esoteric).

The reason why instead of having 60 google searches in a day, I now have frequently less than 30 is that ChatGPT is much quicker when I don't exactely know how to search for something.

For instance I recently looked for an easy way to have a Rails app inline CSS when creating a Mailer template. I wasted 5 Google searches which showed various stackoverflow questions which quite didn't match what I wanted (reuse exisiting CSS from a controller). Asking this as a question to ChatGPT has directly led me to the premailer gem. In hindsight, my search terms were too generic, but ChatGPT was the expert programmer who just pointed me to the right gem based on what I was rambling about.

I am also getting turned off Stackoverflow in general now. Grasping the random adjacent question/answer of SO is often more mental work than checking if ChatGPT is hallucinating. Joel and company did well in selling SO just before ChatGPT hit.

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Post by lupire »

lrem wrote: post #221
chaostheory wrote: post #104

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You don’t have the full picture. You’re missing a lot of data > And the rank-and-file Googlers will defend this because they think they caught God by the ankles with their 150k/year salary That’s closer to their intern salaries. Total comp is more like double or more Much of the rank and file’s total compensation is also in stock Add to that if you wanted to, you can do the minimum and just coast. No one is going to…

> Add to that if you wanted to, you can do the minimum and just coast. "Coast" a.k.a. perform only the duties as agreed in your contract, without going above and beyond. A.k.a. "quiet quitting", or the preposterous idea that the company doesn't own the time they don't pay you for. I'm a somewhat long-time Googler and really dislike this anti-labour narrative.

You can also not do your duties and bet on management not noticing.

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Post by griffinkelly »

runnerup wrote: post #320
esprehn wrote: post #316

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From what I observe Google Photos is quite popular. It's from 2015.

For me, Google Photos started a bit earlier: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Picasa

A great product, its too bad it was discontinued. I much prefered it over lightroom.

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Post by jsnell »

frankfrankfrank wrote: post #157
kubb wrote: post #147

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Yes, as long as it takes for competitors to build products that are more useful in access to knowledge than Google Search (here GPT + Bing is the most visible threat, but it could be anyone), and that capture your attention better than YouTube (TikTok is the biggest competitor in this space, but again, it could be anyone). Google can't build products, they didn't build anything useful since Search and Docs, so they w…

I agree with you. What people seem to forget is that Google simply did one thing even just marginally better back in the 90s and has been riding that heavy train ever since. All the other stuff, even YouTube is also essentially just dumb luck and a function of that initial success, not to mention that Google was going to shut YouTube down before someone made the case for making it an ad platform, which should have be…

> Google was going to shut YouTube down before someone made the case for making it an ad platform, which should have been obvious to Google of all organizations even at that time.

Where in the world are you getting this from?

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