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Re: Telegram Web Apps for Bots

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Post by ikt »

titaniczero wrote: post #70
slondr wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Telegram is not less secure, this is misinformation. Telegram is less secure by default ; it has a worse UX for secure messaging, as a deliberate choice to improve default UX for new users.

IMO if your app is less secure than your competition by default, the app is less secure, period. Telegram is said to have been given authorities access to user data [1], despite the fact that they advertise the opposite. I guess that’s what happens when your app is not encrypted E2E by default. Also, they have used their own encryption algorithm in the past (I don’t know now) instead of the well known and proven algo…

> Also, they have used their own encryption algorithm in the past (I don’t know now)

why not just look this info up before replying ?

Re: Telegram Web Apps for Bots

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Post by omeid2 »

stinkytaco wrote: post #69
omeid2 wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Will natural language be a predominate form of interface in the near future? Absolutely yes. But will it replace majority of interface? I am doubtful. The reason for my doubt is that if you look around yourself; you will see a variety of amazing human computer and human machine interfaces, because no single interface has been universally suitable and more importantly the most or even reasonably efficient for all use…

This is sort of a "what's a computer" question. I find that for a number of specialized digital interfaces, I don't want natural language. I don't want to stand there and talk to my microwave, I just want to punch in the number. I'd say about half the time I sit down at my TV I don't know what I want to watch, I want to scroll through some options. It feels like the more specialized the purpose, the less likely I am…

> It feels like the more specialized the purpose, the less likely I am to want to talk to it.

This is the essence of it; and it follows not just for "shouldn't be a computer" appliances but also software. People in tech tend of to forget about the array of hyper-specialist software that exists in the wild, from little point of sales to industrial machines.

I have little interest in talking to a coffee machine or automated transport ticket machine. Flat White. Day ticket. That would do, thanks.

Re: Telegram Web Apps for Bots

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Post by dancemethis »

AdrenalinMd wrote: post #60

Be cautious when using Telegram for important matters. I recently examined a situation where confidential messages from high-ranking Moldovan officials were leaked through Telegram. Unlike WhatsApp and Signal, which offer end-to-end encryption by default, protecting your messages even in case of a SIM swap, Telegram does not offer the same level of security. A SIM swap or a breach in their system can lead to message…

WhatsApp is proprietary software. Its implementation of OpenWhisper is quite likely to have been tampered with to allow gathering personal user data. If it were safe, it'd be Free Software.

Re: Telegram Web Apps for Bots

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Post by dsabanin »

AdrenalinMd wrote: post #60

Be cautious when using Telegram for important matters. I recently examined a situation where confidential messages from high-ranking Moldovan officials were leaked through Telegram. Unlike WhatsApp and Signal, which offer end-to-end encryption by default, protecting your messages even in case of a SIM swap, Telegram does not offer the same level of security. A SIM swap or a breach in their system can lead to message…

Telegram may also be under FSB (former KGB) control.

https://www.wired.com/story/the-kremlin-has-entered-the-chat...

https://euromaidanpress.com/2023/04/07/russian-fsb-has-the-k...

https://pdmnews-ru.translate.goog/25704/?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr...

You may or may not trust these sources, however, even just the fact that at one point Durov was extremely afraid of being found by FSB, Telegram being the only network not blocked in Russia, and general embrace of Telegram by Russian propagandists, speaks for itself.

Re: Telegram Web Apps for Bots

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Post by the_gipsy »

slondr wrote: post #66
the_gipsy wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Matrix is an open protocol with real encryption. You can bridge telegram to it. It's all open source though, so don't expect an experience as polished as telegram.

Telegram’s clients are also open source

That's completely useless if the protocol is closed.

Re: Telegram Web Apps for Bots

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Post by TheFreim »

xeonax wrote: post #49

I have been using Telegram as my game server administrator. It gives me realtime updates about important activities from my players, As well as I can change settings directly from my mobile. Or start a new event.

What game server? Did you write the telegram integration plugin/script yourself?

Re: Telegram Web Apps for Bots

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Post by TheFreim »

ajsnigrutin wrote: post #57
xeonax wrote: post #49

I have been using Telegram as my game server administrator. It gives me realtime updates about important activities from my players, As well as I can change settings directly from my mobile. Or start a new event.

I use telegram for monitoring many services.... one botfather command, you get an api key and one curl command to send a message. Service restarted, server rebooted, low ram, low disk space, temperature too high, etc., everything comes to telegram. "Back in the time" I would've used email for that, but if you don't run your own server, getting a free email address that doesn't either need a phone number verification,…

> "Back in the time" I would've used email for that

One thing I like about chat is the different mindset and granularity. I can have a bot post a message to a channel for normal messages and then tag me, thus giving me a notification, for urgent matters. Email is more like digital mail, I don't want to have to check it often (I disable email notifications).

Re: Telegram Web Apps for Bots

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Post by TheFreim »

lysecret wrote: post #40

We should rebrand bots, maybe to something like text apps or conversation apps or something like this bots have a bad rep and don’t really represent what these LLM driven apps are.

Maybe I'm just blinded by experience but I don't have an issue distinguishing bad and good bots in common usage. I play Old School Runescape which is plagued with bots, but there's never confusion because linguistic markers naturally signal what is meant. The opposite has also been true in my experience. Maybe I'm just too wary of another stint on the euphemism treadmill.

Re: Telegram Web Apps for Bots

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Post by dachri »

dsabanin wrote: post #84
AdrenalinMd wrote: post #60

Be cautious when using Telegram for important matters. I recently examined a situation where confidential messages from high-ranking Moldovan officials were leaked through Telegram. Unlike WhatsApp and Signal, which offer end-to-end encryption by default, protecting your messages even in case of a SIM swap, Telegram does not offer the same level of security. A SIM swap or a breach in their system can lead to message…

Telegram may also be under FSB (former KGB) control. https://www.wired.com/story/the-kremlin-has-entered-the-chat... https://euromaidanpress.com/2023/04/07/russian-fsb-has-the-k... https://pdmnews-ru.translate.goog/25704/?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr... You may or may not trust these sources, however, even just the fact that at one point Durov was extremely afraid of being found by FSB, Telegram being the only network not blo…

The recent events regarding the twitter files for example or the knowledge gained from snowden clearly show you that intelligence agencies worldwide are everywhere to be found where social activities are taking place

Re: Telegram Web Apps for Bots

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Post by api »

dachri wrote: post #89
dsabanin wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Telegram may also be under FSB (former KGB) control. https://www.wired.com/story/the-kremlin-has-entered-the-chat... https://euromaidanpress.com/2023/04/07/russian-fsb-has-the-k... https://pdmnews-ru.translate.goog/25704/?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr... You may or may not trust these sources, however, even just the fact that at one point Durov was extremely afraid of being found by FSB, Telegram being the only network not blo…

The recent events regarding the twitter files for example or the knowledge gained from snowden clearly show you that intelligence agencies worldwide are everywhere to be found where social activities are taking place

I’d be totally shocked if they were not. From their point of view setting up honeypots and tapping social media is an absolute no brainer, as is leveraging it for “active measures.”

All major intelligence agencies are probably neck deep in these activities.

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